NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025
Thread 49: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383443-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-49 31 July 2025 to 8 August 2025

I’ve missed the first bit. What is NC asking to be released.

yes

Sound is appalling

Are TT there & are we allowed to make live comments on here?

Sound is very uneven. Think it's a more of a bandwidth than microphone issue though.

TT are currently tweeting, they can obviously hear better.

TT are there and live tweeting.

We are allowed to make personal comments on what is happening, but not live tweet, as TT are doing.

Is anyone willing to copy and paste TT for those of us not on twiXter?

As a general principle - why get knotted up about 'dead naming' when everyone knows the original name anyway?

Yes, and no. Safest not to comment here live, IIRC.

I'm reading Tribunal Tweets to make sense of what I can't hear.

JR got the pronunciation of Forstatter correct for once.

from herald
10:16am
We're underway.
Naomi Cunningham is discussing requests for submissions. In relation to open justice, the barrister says these should be released unless ordered not to by court.
Ms Cunningham says there's no proper basis to grant an order which would restrict these from being published.
Ms Russell KC proposes a middle ground.
The claimant, she says the dead naming of Dr Upton is "unnecessary".
By dead naming, it is triggering for Dr Upton.

And then got it wrong again!

Omg that no 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I bet someone's had a word with JR about mispronouncing names

I can't copy the Tweets, it's too much for my brain to cope with.

It's taxed enough as it is just trying to listen!

I'm not on twitter/X but you should be able to read the posts here:
https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

from Herald
10:21am
Ms Cunningham said the submissions will not be redacted, so Ms Russell says the objection to the submissions being published is continued.
10:20am
Jane Russell, who is Dr Upton and NHS Fife's lawyer, says it could.be seen as a sign of "disrespect" to dead name Dr Upton.
Quoting law, she says judges in tribunals should be alert to any attempt to "out" someone.
The dropping of the dead name is harmful, Ms Russell says.
She says she wants the submission to be redacted where Dr Upton is dead named.
For those unaware, dead naming is when the birth name of a transgender individual is used instead of their chosen name.

Judge a bit snippy towards NC

How can you 'out' someone when it's already been all over the press?

tt on x is generally more accurate/ detailed than the herald blog, which just gives a summary (sometimes affected by the journalist's views)

Indeed. You are at one with NC here!

The Judge sounds very fed up and ready to get this case over and done with.

They are still on with discussion about dead naming so still not started the actual submissions

The name cat has been out of the bag for ages, sad times for Dr U.