NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025
Thread 49: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383443-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-49 31 July 2025 to 8 August 2025

from Herald
10:35am
Naomi Cunningham said these redactions can be achieved in the next few minutes.
The former first name of Dr Upton will be hidden.

Dammit. I connected up as directed before 0930 but no sign of being let in. Ah well. I’ve got lots to do today so maybe it’s for the best.

tribunal has booked itself 4 days for deliberations from 14 October

But I think the Streisand effect will apply

I can't believe the Judge has granted JR's request. What is the point, anyone who is interested knows his name.

Judge just said they can't start deliberations until October.

I would assume they had a redacted version ready as well just in case.

Have you tried a second time? My first attempt I forgot to switch the first page toggle to Observer and I was left hanging a long time before I realised!

I'm in!! Thanks so much @ickky for the phone number.

NC will have 3 hours for submissions today, JR will have 2.

NC is talking, about Goodwin.

Judge said "...a case of this complexity..."
Jfc. Are we watching the same case?? Seems pretty simple to me. Upton's a bloke, shouldn't be in the Ladies'.

FFS! This is ridiculous! His fucking name is Theodore Upton.

Not a good moment for justice IMO

What nonsense! We all know that his name is Theodore Benedict Onni Upton as listed on the medical register

www.gmc-uk.org/registrants/7844321

I hope so!

Hey! Don’t Dark Wizard shame!

Yes, re-tried a few times but no luck. Might give them a ring - thanks for the phone number ickky

If I was Upton I'd prefer to have my old name used in the hope that no-one would associate me with this case in future.

If this somehow doesn't go in Sandie's favour, do we think this decision to redact Theodore Upton's name will give weight to an appeal?

ETA: I will now use Theodore Upton every time I talk about HIM, no more Dr Upton from me!

Same!

Although maybe he thinks that ship has sailed now and plans to use something else. Perhaps Teddy instead, would be a derivative of Theodore and not quite so obviously male.

NC saying there are limitations on how a TIM can live like a woman.

Oof, I'm in! I've been WFTCHTJ for about 40 minutes and had literally just picked up my phone to call (thanks Ickky!) when it connected.

Upton can call himself Beth all he likes but his original name of Theodore is freely available on t'interweb.

Hopefully just a dead name cat bounce!

Reading on here, TT and the Herald, hoping motion sickness does not set in.

While I understand your ire and share it I can see the logic for the decision. This isn’t about pronouns or how you view that person. DU has legally changed his name. He lives and works under the name ‘Beth’. If you had changed your name either by marriage or deed poll and someone used your old name you’d be rightly upset.

So while I don’t like it in the context of the issues the tribunal is about, I can understand it. He is still a person and deserves the basics to be observed, however much this forum disagrees with his actions. And I include myself in disagreeing!

But the Streisand effect is well I action now I bet so it’s almost irrelevant that the submissions won’t use it.

Given TT have been publishing all along, do they have to go back and redact?