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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50

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nauticant · 07/08/2025 21:44

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025
Thread 49: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383443-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-49 31 July 2025 to 8 August 2025

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CriticalCondition · 01/09/2025 09:59

I've got visuals!

chilling19 · 01/09/2025 10:01

I

chilling19 · 01/09/2025 10:01

In

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2025 10:01

Igneococcus · 01/09/2025 09:48

Oh please tell me there is one from Boiled about this, that would so make my morning.

🩰 Interpretive Dance Routine: “Sad Times”

Theme:

A tragicomic ballet of misplaced conviction, bureaucratic melodrama, and the catharsis of judicial laughter.


🎭 Act I: The Mourning of Men

  • Lighting: Dim blue wash, with slow strobes mimicking courtroom fluorescents.
  • Music: A mournful cello solo, punctuated by sudden, childish cymbal crashes.
  • Movement:
A group of suited dancers enter in slow motion, clutching handkerchiefs and legal binders. They collapse one by one, sobbing into the floor, legs kicking like toddlers denied pudding. Their choreography is erratic—flailing arms, dramatic pirouettes into despair, and synchronized tantrum rolls across the stage. Occasionally, one attempts to stand and deliver a solemn monologue gesture, only to be overcome by emotion and crumple again.
  • Symbolism:
Their movements parody gravitas—each gesture meant to evoke dignity is undercut by exaggerated weeping and floor-thumping. The binders they carry are blank, fluttering open to reveal nothing but scribbles and teardrops.

📜 Act II: The Intervention

  • Lighting: A harsh spotlight isolates one dancer who rises, trembling, and mimes typing furiously on an invisible laptop.
  • Music: A frantic harpsichord piece, growing increasingly discordant.
  • Movement:
The ensemble gathers around a large scroll unfurled across the stage. They “submit” their thoughts by dancing atop it—leaping, stamping, and rolling, leaving behind trails of nonsense (represented by projected gibberish text). Their movements become more chaotic as they mime printing hundreds of pages, tossing them into the air like confetti. One dancer attempts to read aloud from the submission but devolves into gibberish, sobbing mid-sentence and crawling offstage.
  • Symbolism:
The act of “intervening” is rendered as a desperate plea for relevance—an interpretive tantrum masquerading as jurisprudence.

⚖️ Act III: The Judge’s Chamber

  • Lighting: Warm amber glow, suggesting quiet authority and mahogany furniture.
  • Music: Silence, then a single chuckle played on bassoon.
  • Movement:
A lone dancer enters as the judge—stoic, composed, with a gavel tucked under one arm. He reads the submission (a scroll now tangled around his legs), and slowly begins to shake with laughter. His body convulses in mirth—shoulders bouncing, feet tapping, until he breaks into a full comedic jig. He tosses the scroll into a bin beneath his desk (a prop revealed with dramatic flair), then pirouettes away with a wink to the audience.
  • Final Tableau:
The sad men peek from behind curtains, watching the judge dance. One attempts to cry again but only produces a squeaky hiccup. The curtain falls as the bin lid closes.

🗒️ Notes for Staging:

  • Costumes:
Ill-fitting suits, tear-stained cravats, and socks with constitutional quotes.
  • Props:
Oversized scrolls, invisible laptops, a bin with golden trim labeled “Judicial Discretion.”
  • Tone:
A blend of Beckettian absurdity and operatic farce. The sadness is real, but the self-importance is hilariously misplaced.
NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50
Rightsraptor · 01/09/2025 10:05

Why oh why did MN take the laughter emoji away?

GCITC · 01/09/2025 10:06

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2025 10:01

🩰 Interpretive Dance Routine: “Sad Times”

Theme:

A tragicomic ballet of misplaced conviction, bureaucratic melodrama, and the catharsis of judicial laughter.


🎭 Act I: The Mourning of Men

  • Lighting: Dim blue wash, with slow strobes mimicking courtroom fluorescents.
  • Music: A mournful cello solo, punctuated by sudden, childish cymbal crashes.
  • Movement:
A group of suited dancers enter in slow motion, clutching handkerchiefs and legal binders. They collapse one by one, sobbing into the floor, legs kicking like toddlers denied pudding. Their choreography is erratic—flailing arms, dramatic pirouettes into despair, and synchronized tantrum rolls across the stage. Occasionally, one attempts to stand and deliver a solemn monologue gesture, only to be overcome by emotion and crumple again.
  • Symbolism:
Their movements parody gravitas—each gesture meant to evoke dignity is undercut by exaggerated weeping and floor-thumping. The binders they carry are blank, fluttering open to reveal nothing but scribbles and teardrops.

📜 Act II: The Intervention

  • Lighting: A harsh spotlight isolates one dancer who rises, trembling, and mimes typing furiously on an invisible laptop.
  • Music: A frantic harpsichord piece, growing increasingly discordant.
  • Movement:
The ensemble gathers around a large scroll unfurled across the stage. They “submit” their thoughts by dancing atop it—leaping, stamping, and rolling, leaving behind trails of nonsense (represented by projected gibberish text). Their movements become more chaotic as they mime printing hundreds of pages, tossing them into the air like confetti. One dancer attempts to read aloud from the submission but devolves into gibberish, sobbing mid-sentence and crawling offstage.
  • Symbolism:
The act of “intervening” is rendered as a desperate plea for relevance—an interpretive tantrum masquerading as jurisprudence.

⚖️ Act III: The Judge’s Chamber

  • Lighting: Warm amber glow, suggesting quiet authority and mahogany furniture.
  • Music: Silence, then a single chuckle played on bassoon.
  • Movement:
A lone dancer enters as the judge—stoic, composed, with a gavel tucked under one arm. He reads the submission (a scroll now tangled around his legs), and slowly begins to shake with laughter. His body convulses in mirth—shoulders bouncing, feet tapping, until he breaks into a full comedic jig. He tosses the scroll into a bin beneath his desk (a prop revealed with dramatic flair), then pirouettes away with a wink to the audience.
  • Final Tableau:
The sad men peek from behind curtains, watching the judge dance. One attempts to cry again but only produces a squeaky hiccup. The curtain falls as the bin lid closes.

🗒️ Notes for Staging:

  • Costumes:
Ill-fitting suits, tear-stained cravats, and socks with constitutional quotes.
  • Props:
Oversized scrolls, invisible laptops, a bin with golden trim labeled “Judicial Discretion.”
  • Tone:
A blend of Beckettian absurdity and operatic farce. The sadness is real, but the self-importance is hilariously misplaced.

Can we nominate this for an Oscar?

NotNatacha · 01/09/2025 10:06

AMillionMugsNoTeabags · 01/09/2025 09:48

Argh! Is there a way to log in from a phone?

I logged in to the hearing before from a laptop but the same details are just giving me a black screen (no wftchtj) from safari on an iPhone.

Although I could access the hearing using my iPad in February, in July it worked neither on my iPad nor my iPhone. I tried 3 different browsers on my iPad.

Now I only try on the desktop. Have you tried using the laptop, as you did before?

betterBeElwinNextIGuess · 01/09/2025 10:07

I think the yellow and black tape is new? Better late than never!

CriticalCondition · 01/09/2025 10:07

The binders they carry are blank, fluttering open to reveal nothing but scribbles and teardrops.

Just as well my sound is turned off. This piece of gold had me doing a proper tea snort.

NotNatacha · 01/09/2025 10:09

I know observers are not supposed to use the Chat function, but I'd like to say how politely expressed the two current requests are in there.

ickky · 01/09/2025 10:09

I'm still WFTCHTJ

GCITC · 01/09/2025 10:10

NotNatacha · 01/09/2025 10:09

I know observers are not supposed to use the Chat function, but I'd like to say how politely expressed the two current requests are in there.

You've got to respect big Sond!

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2025 10:10

I see Health and Safety have finally sorted the trailing cables issue. Massive yellow and black strips across them.

Finally.

nauticant · 01/09/2025 10:11

NotNatacha · 01/09/2025 10:09

I know observers are not supposed to use the Chat function, but I'd like to say how politely expressed the two current requests are in there.

What's been noteworthy about this hearing is it shows that if things are organised properly, the staff are on the ball, and there's good communication to the observers, then they observers will be good as gold.

OP posts:
NotNatacha · 01/09/2025 10:11

GCITC · 01/09/2025 10:10

You've got to respect big Sond!

True.

CriticalCondition · 01/09/2025 10:12

Paper cups now a tasteful turquoise.

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2025 10:12

And we are starting

GCITC · 01/09/2025 10:12

Big Sond has arrived!

Rightsraptor · 01/09/2025 10:13

But have Health & Safety sorted that bloody squeaky door? That'd send my stress soaring if I were there. All it takes is a bit of WD40.

NotNatacha · 01/09/2025 10:13

NC very quiet, and I have the volume up to full.

OhBuggerandArse · 01/09/2025 10:14

What? I'm still WFTCHTJ

Rightsraptor · 01/09/2025 10:14

NC sound coming & going. Why is the sound so bad always?

ickky · 01/09/2025 10:14

Me too, I am room 4

GCITC · 01/09/2025 10:15

OhBuggerandArse · 01/09/2025 10:14

What? I'm still WFTCHTJ

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