NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025
Thread 49: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383443-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-49 31 July 2025 to 8 August 2025

Morning - am WFTCHTJ

Yes, it's taking me back to the previous sittings.

Where did the rest of July and August go?

I'm in with a clerk by the look of things, black screen with CVP clerk at the bottom, and 16 waiting in the lobby. It looks like they are letting people in now.

Oi! No you aren't, I am!

It fits in very well as a youth tiktok equivalent of the likes of JR doing a Look At Me horseback gallop through London to celebrate becoming a KC. Nauseating self-obsessed c~~~s.

I'm also being serenaded by the dulcet tones of the WFTCHTJ man.

WFTCHTJ now and have planned some home admin tasks while listening to submissions but will comment randomly on anything that is too good/outrageous to wait for the breaks.

from Herald Scotland blog
9:39am
Might be a bit of a delay to closing submissions. We understand that there will be a hearing first thing on whether the written submissions to the tribunal can be published.
We're not sure if this will be a public or private hearing.
Some submissions have already been published online.
The Tribunal Tweets X account has copies of For Women Scotland's and Not All Gays.
TransLucent, a trans-led advocacy organisation, has also been given permission to intervene, but, as far as we're aware, their submission is not yet public.
There's also, obviously, submissions from the legal teams representing Sandie Peggie, and NHS Fife and Dr Beth Upton.
Worth noting that in July, Judge Susan Walker KC, President of Employment Tribunals (Scotland) issued a document called Presidential Guidance on Open Justice in Employment Tribunal Proceedings in Scotland.
It sets out how hearings should be accessible to the public and press.
It also confirms that accredited journalists can live-report proceedings and, crucially, that members of the media are entitled to inspect key documents used in hearings — including witness statements, submissions and case papers — to uphold transparency.

In but no pic or sound

Oh that's a shame, we might not get to read TransLucent's submission?

Does anyone know if Vic Valentine's written witness statement has been made public please, either by Vic or through a transcribed copy via press or in person observers? I'd love to read that one.

I was kicked, now WFTCHTJ again.

I do hope we get to see the drivel TransLucent has written to the court, especially if they don't want it made public.

What form does TransLucent's intervention take? Apologies if this has been answered before, these threads are moving too fast for me.

Interpretive dance

I keep getting kicked 😡

Argh! Is there a way to log in from a phone?

I logged in to the hearing before from a laptop but the same details are just giving me a black screen (no wftchtj) from safari on an iPhone.

Oh please tell me there is one from Boiled about this, that would so make my morning.

https://x.com/BettsCaro/status/1962417955704107498

Yeah, this is probably what it amounts to.

Could you download a differenet browser, say Chrome, Firefox, or Edge? If you did you might need to change your default browser by using Default Apps in Settings.

I have been terrible and have struggled to wake in the mornings all summer but this morning I woke naturally and sat bolt upright in a haze, wondering why! 😂 All the alarm clocks worked across the universe for me.

Indeed. I actually feel it undermines the work that I do as well. I'm proud of the work I do and the help it gives to young people but the stain of gender ideology has seeped in to such an extent that even some of my findings and insight gets undermined by the equality team's determination to "queer" it all. I'm trying to push back but it's hard.

I was the same. I needed to enter my full name, not initials

I'm into the conference