NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #42

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

JR Why mention the BMA?
MC They'd been v helpful what is and isnt the right process re drs struggling for a huge range of issues. Hold a lot of knowledge and a resource I've used before.
JR U say similar to a patient being abusive
MC Yes, my understanding that behav based on
a PC cld be a HC. And DU has a PC.
JR Why do u think u were informed of the incident by KS?
MC As I'm an ED consultant. I'm one of the older consultants and ppl think I've experienced things others havent. Plus I'm dep clinical lead

Did you just misgender Bez?

I've got into habit of copying and pasting The Good Bits, as I see them. Sometimes most of it, sometimes just lines.

MC Yes, my understanding that behav based on
a PC cld be a HC. And DU has a PC.

I do hope that NC has enough time to question this witness.

Then that's illegal.

JR How were interests between SP and DU balanced?
MC [pause] An email chain among the ED consultant team. The mgmt process betwn drs and nurses is v separate which is my prev experience w/in the NHS. V little involvement in mgmt between the two

JR trying to defend why nobody have a damn about SP - not MC's job as SP not a doc.

I may have done. I don’t know their sex or gender and assumed.

<hangs head in shame>

<sends self for sensitivity training>

😳😢😔😞😪

MC Senior nursing team wld contact SP and we'd focus on the medical team, which is what I'd expect
JR What about the seriousness?
MC Very serious. Because the events described suggest a v unpleasant convo and interactions of this type have potential to make v challenging

..only by DrU

Bez has selfidentied as male

so frustrating - especially in this medical setting.

Surely "believing humans can't change sex" is fairly standard, apart from the willfully self deluded.

I wonder if NC will address this in her cross?
or it is the elephant in the courtroom everyone is dancing around & pretending they can't see

JR has had her half hour.

Hmmm JR claimed that she'd be done with her chief examination in 30 minutes... So why is she still asking questions?!

I did too, and Bez revealed himself as a Staunch Ally

Then Bez is obviously a man.

<sensitivity training kicks in quite quickly when I’m told what to do>

I think Pete might make another appearance this aft.

JR already running over her 30 mins.

I'd better come with you. I'd also assumed 'she'.

Though Fifer is defo a bloke.

JR [new doc] The HI policy has bullet points. Wld u describe whether any and if so which u think are relevant?
MC 4th of verbal abuse. And 6th of harassment and bullying [pause - not sure if sound has gone

I assume NC will ask MC if she knows what sex she is.

JR is filibustering as expected.

Liar liar liar liar

JR When aware of T status?
MC Before interview. We had a brief convo and asked if was aware was trans. I answered I had wondered.

Hang on. Isn't that literal violence?? Why isn't MC in the dock? Did DU run out crying when MC made that comment?

JR regularly over runs and J never stops her or suggests she curtails her time.

@BezMills
Am very far behind today, just wanted to let you know that I am recovering from walking pneumonia and nearly laughed myself into an early grave at Fifer doing his breathing exercises 😂

I wonder if the penny is dropping with NHS Fife that if someone wants to falsify their sex then they may falsify other things too.

And I bet you Pete appears with this witness at some point