NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #42

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

I kindof admire JR for tenacity in this. I would be a jibbering wreck under the table at this stage!!!

IT IS THE ONLY EXPLANATION JR!

JR should have quit in that brief moment she had him on the ropes, she's back to not helping her client that much.

Idk, if I find something that’s technically inexplicable, I might use one or even two.

I’d be willing to bet that if he had worked pro bono she’d have claimed he’d have only done that if he was biased, had skin in the game somehow. 😂

Oh this is good. Again if they had recorded the meeting, all this could have been cleared up one way or the other.

I anticipate there may be a few more absences in NHSF after this.

He's not a professional writer, though. The exclamation marks express his sense that something is not right, or as would be expected.

JR -edit preceeds creation
JB - yes
JR - you don't believe the sync explanation
JB - no
JR - must be something else not only explanation
JB - PD and I tried to recreate, it just can't happen
JR - is it the only explanation or you don't know
JB - can't explain, only thing is

It’s desperate stuff. The Judge and panel will understand these people are paid (it’s their job), so I assume it’s to play to those who want to believe it’s unfair. Hard to believe the msm would pay any heed to it.

That's true. For £2000 a day (or was it per hour?) I'd make myself a little foolish if I had to.

I don't know what sanctions might be available in a civil case but in a criminal case they are severe.

I personally know of one where the accused had attempted to cover up the crime they were charged with by tampering with 'contemporaneous notes' of the incident in question. The trial was stopped when this became apparent.
The evidence of the crime was all a bit hazy and the original charge was dropped.

However the accused was subsequently charged and convicted of perverting the course of justice and was sentenced to a term of imprisonment.

I don't know what might happen here but generally the courts take an extremely dim view of evidence tampering.

Yes, I do agree and I personally loathe them. But it seems indicative of her paucity of material.

Judge has just said sad times!

Is JR going to allow him to say " conundrum"? It sounds rather like an exclamation!

I'm trying to work and follow, but I've spent a lot of time in criminal court and working on criminal cases but only been involved in a few ET cases via the HSE....

BUT can I just say what a ABSOLUTE breath of fresh air it is to have a competent grown up giving evidence in this case.

Think JR should have quit while she was ahead..instead of constantly drawing attention to the possibility Upton has lied. Because with every time she mentions this, he gets another opportunity to explain that it just couldn't have happened any other way.

JB - someone has put a screen shot over it, there's no recording of it, DU has filed, would expect to see in file names
JR - did you see files
JB - never produced
JR - so if you've not seen the file can you say the lying explanation is the only one?
JB - it's just not possible

Fair play to JR, she's using the 'Just because you didnt actually see the Fairies of Sliabh Luachra dancing in the moonlight in my garden last night, doesn't prove that the Fairies of Sliabh Luachra did NOT dance in the moonlight in my garden last night' defence.

It makes no sense though. Someone who is willing to do it for free is much more likely to be there because they have an agenda. Someone paid is just doing it because they're paid. I understand the implication is that he's being paid to give a particular view but I just don't think the logic stands up and little irritates me more than poor logic.

Why did the judge say 'sad times'?

JB is making NHS Fife IT /PD look like idiots. So no different from other NHS Fife departments who have come onto the witness stand.

He was reading the screen shot

I bet he won't use exclamation marks in his reports again.

Best thing JR could do is whistle for that horse, it burst through the door and she rides off into the sunset giving V signs to one and all.

Maybe the judge is ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US

Its shows that he is exactly what we can all see he is, a narcissist for whom transgression into female spaces for his own validatory feelings are all, even at the expense of torpedoing a fledgling career in medicine that he presumably worked very hard for. Captured by his fetish.