NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #23

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It is planned that it will resume on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently caused by a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13
Thread 14: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272939-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-14
Thread 15: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273119-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-15
Thread 16: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273636-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-16
Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273827-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-17
Thread 18: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274332-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-18
Thread 19: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274571-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-19
Thread 20: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5275782-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-20
Thread 21: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5276925-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-21
Thread 22: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5280174-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-22

My Dad taught me 'There is no red port left' to remember the sides/colours.

Ah, I'm obviously tired - didn't pick that up at all 😁

I love Birdy Roses' stuff - there's so many lovely pieces!

An education these threads! brilliant!

Ordered mine last week!

I'm a navy brat and was brought up with port and starboard and I've never got them wrong, right and left on the other hand I'm forever getting wrong to the extent that everyone I know watches where I'm pointing and ignores what I say 🤣

I use the same number of letters aide memoire for remembering port is left, but the red for port wine is new for me. Red is a shorter word than green, just like left/port are shorter words than right/starboard, that's how I recall them.

I think I made this up myself, when I was a little girl, to remember not just which side port was, but the colour of the navigation light:
'They left port by the red light of Mars'

Has anyone come across that elsewhere? or can I claim it as mine?

I learned port and starboard after someone explained to me that port has an R in it and port is a red wine, which starts with an R, and they use red lights, which also starts with an R, and therefore port is left. So ridiculous that it stuck.

How about after and fore i have a canal boat and struggle with that too,

Your forehead is on the front of you. Aft is the bit after the rest of the boat.

Is you canal boat called the Accrington Queen?

Just chipping in on the port/starboard chat.
Vessels were originally steered by means of an oar on the right hand side, most people being right handed. This developed into a fixed rudder or 'steorbord' which evolved into starboard which remained the name for that right side of the vessel even when the steering gear moved to the stern/back.

The left side of the vessel was referred to as 'larboard' or the laying/loading side because it could go alongside the quay without damaging the steering. This was changed to port by order of the Admiralty in the mid nineteenth century to avoid confusion with starboard.

Dont get the joke please make me laugh

The side of the boat that things were ported to and from? Or were the Admiralty sitting round musing on the confusion, 'it's worse than often and orphan m'lud', and their eyes lit on the bottle they were polishing off. Nearly went with 'scuttle', but that word was busy enough.

Watch the new Wallace and Gromit.

Is this the derail-iest derail of a thread ever??😄

And the river-based film starring Katherine Hepburn and Humphrey Bogart that W&G referenced.

What a cracking movie that is!

I get why it’s happening but wish that it wasn’t.

I can read entire passages of the Master&Commander series and have no clue what's going on, still love them though.

OMG this is me to! I thought I was just stupid. I was always in trouble school and never learned the times tables. I have tried as an adult and it still wont stick in my head. I can recite the easy ones 2,5 and 10 but the rest are a blank
.I have severe anxiety about maths and unfortunately have to use it in my job.

Sorry to de-rail the de-rail… but this from the Telegraph is interesting - sign that the SG’s confidence might be showing signs of slight crumbliness?!

https://archive.is/gmuJ4

Well it's just my left hand, sometimes identifies as being my right hand. Maybe really its a bit non-binary, its a wee bit unpredictable as to which it will identify as at any given time.

But like we all know it can identify what ever it wants to but that doesn't make it right. It's still my left.

Thanks @KnottyAuty I just don't understand how they can say they are confident the police to allow men into female toilets is legal when it clearly goes against the relevant regulations. Sometimes I feel like I'm in Alice in Wonderland and the the Scottish Government is Humpy Dumpty, blithely announcing words will mean just what they say they mean

Mind you I have had the experience of working with two of Scotland's top civil servants (they've now retired) and both were absolute numpties who were convinced of their own brilliance so I shouldn't be surprised

Ah I totally misread that acronym and thought it said SP's confidence is crumbling and I was about to do a call to action for us all to give her a big group virtual hug! Scottish government confidence crumbling! That can only be a good thing.

It just seems bonkers that in 2025 the Scottish government have made stating biological facts hateful. I hope they get voted out next year in the Scottish elections. I for one will never vote for them again. If someone had said to me in 11 years time straight after the independence referendum in 2014 I'd no longer be SNP I'd have laughed. But there we have it. They've betrayed their party, they've betrayed women and children and have allowed predators and chancers to wedge the door open via stupid, ill thought out legislation. It's bonkers (sorry to repeat that word😅 but it is).

@INeedAPensieve Your 100% right. 11 years and I'm so so glad I was out voted. Massive apology and thank-you to the voters who voted No!

But it's no bad thing for SG's confidence to crumble. I don't even get why they are so keen to encourage this stuff, at one point it was 'blame the greens' but they are gone ans the direction of travel hasn't changed. John Swinney is a married man with daughters - does he just think it won't be them that meet a Isla Bryson in a changing room?