NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board - thread #2

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

First thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

It's being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr

Not quite, I think the Righteous view is that women who are pure enough do not need human rights. Because women who have sufficiently pure beliefs understand that they are not fully human, but are partially sentient service bipeds for the desires of the actual people.

Has this been posted? Not the most balanced account.
www.heraldscotland.com/news/24910000.nhs-fife-nurse-odds-transgender-doctor-identity/

A nurse suspended for objecting to a transgender woman doctor using female changing rooms has admitted being guilty of harassment under workplace policies, but denied comparing the doctor to convicted rapist Isla Bryson, a tribunal heard.

Nothing like just making it up as you go along.

Are there any current photos of Dr Upton, apart from Twitter X? When I search the case, loads of pictures of Sandy pop up.

Could not see the relevance.,so are half the American electorate. Does not make you a bigot.

I think women may be responsible for their husband's FB & all social media posts. There was a time when husband and wife were deemed by the law to be one (and that one was the man, naturally, but let's ignore that for now).

As we are rapidly unravelling women's rights, it seems quite fitting that we should go back to that idea but with the modern twist of women taking the burden.

Go back to the men’s then you berk.

Can anyone remember - which case had the TIM who was discussing his attempt to get his partner pregnant? Was that Darlington?

I think it was, Weary.

Thank you.

Actually, they are sometimes the worst.
So certain of their own intellect, so certain of their compassion, so so certain of their own superiority.

Hardened out of any self-doubt that plebs might be right, and they might be hopelessly, publicly wrong.

Agreeing with Chimpanzee

www.personneltoday.com/hr/nhs-trust-trans-changing-room-policy-legal-action/

Thank you.

Yes it was Darlington. I hope they are watching this case (if they have any sense they will be) and see what the reality of running the case will be. Even if they win the publicity will be awful. Men should not be in women’s changing rooms or other single spaces but I think the Darlington case would be worse. Looking at the ta t the hospitals counsel is taking, a number of nurses complained to management, the behaviour of the man is even worse - open rather than covert behaviour, they suggested diversity training.

Hopefully Wes Streeting is watching as well, this will not play well with the public.

One of the frustrating things with these cases is the fact the claimant’s barrister stays on task and doesn’t get to ask the other side’s witnesses and barristers to account for all their illogical ideology and contradicting point surrounding it.

I really hope the judges can see the utter misogyny, not to mention stupidity, of claiming that women should be forced to have men in their spaces, because those women's husbands have said something that someone else disagrees with.

@DemeraraAbyss Actually they do NC in the ERCC really laid into the trustees to maximum effect.

I think that the Darlington nurses are in a better position because a group of them have come together to support one another. It's much harder to dismiss their concerns.

Exactly safety in numbers…

I think the Darlington case will be worse because of the numbers of women complainants. There was a letter that 26 nurses signed to say they weren't happy sharing with a man. I'm not sure how many of those are bringing the case but there are 4 I think who have gone public. They can't say "but nobody else has come forward it only you who is so difficult and complaining".

Sorry I meant worse as in worse for the hospital - it’s already a shitshow for Fife and I think it will be worse for Darlington hospital.

This thread in X is great

https://x.com/nhsfife/status/1886675479886700568

I'm not surprised about Fife. I've had some positive experiences with Fife NHS - I was born and brought up in Fife - but some bloody awful experiences as well.

I know from a couple of my own experiences that many of the women nurses there are not happy with the way that women are sometimes treated.

The ratio is quite something, @BridasShieldWall .

Yes, you're right. Perception is, if not everything, it's as near as damn it for a lot of people.

Which is why only one side wanted open access to the tribunal. And only one side wanted to use factual pronouns.

If I was one of those judges, it would've already told me almost everything I needed to know.

Wow.
Good to see Fife getting plenty of feedback about their coercive control tactics.