NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board - thread #2

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

First thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

It's being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr

Air conditioning problems

Mention of an overspill room. There must be lots of observers in person too.

Oh, it seems the panel left the room because of a problem of temperature control in the room and not us being disruptive.

Continuing now back to suspension

It seems to me it's not even whether a woman has a right to a single sex space, it's whether she has the right to not share a belief that a man has about himself (that he's a woman, see pronouns), or even to dislike him or feel wary of him.

The impression I get from reading the threads is that she is accused of 'not making eye contact', 'using the wrong pronouns' and not going into a changing room while he's in it.

So it's not just about her right to a single sex space, but her right to believe that a man is a man whatever pronouns he uses, and her right to avoid a man who makes her uncomfortable. Her right to her own beliefs, preferences, and feelings.

I could be picking it up wrong as I can't watch it live, unfortunately.

I haven’t been following closely, have I missed an update about whether Dr Upton’s previous record under a different name could be considered? The judge had gone away to read up, I think.
I saw reference to it but can’t find an answer.

Stopping again judge has left the room

The software itself seems to be malfunctioning now

It kept asking me to enter the pin even though I was already watching.

FFS. The observers are not the problem, the system or its operation are. Poor SP, this must be very frustrating

Snap

I keep hearing that I should enter the PIN number and that I'm being disconnected. Is anyone else hearing the same thing?

It's always frustrating reading what TRAs say. Because the very next question would be what is it we need to understand?

And then you get down to it.

They rely on outrage that you're accusing them of being predatory.

When in fact, they're just as predatory as all other men, and according to prison statistics, more so.

Everyone walks on eggshells, because of the performative outrage, but once you can dispense with that, it's a slam dunk.

edited to add that it's the dispensing of that that's the problem.

None of these cases even float the question of Malaga man, for instance.

Eggshells are still the floor covering du jour

Yes

Continuing

Respondents can appeal a judgement in the same way a claimant can.

Talking about a call SP received from occ health and SP said she didn't need their input as had been to see GP.

There's also the fact that women who have experienced male violence are often left with a crippling and quite understandable terror of men. I grew up with DV, in my late teens my fear of men was overwhelming. And do you know what the biggest problem with men is when you're in that place? They're bloody everywhere. Female only toilets and changing rooms saved me on multiple occasions when I was close to having a panic attack in public. Now we're being told that female only spaces are for women plus any man who wants to use them?

No. Just no.

JR on about Fife suspending SP for longer than four weeks now.

JR indicating Fife scared of SPs behaviour may escalate

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J: We have view of the overspill room which I hope isn't distracting. And an issue w the temperature which is controlled from Glasgow

Just when you thought you'd read it all! No wonder the UK is such a mess

FFS this is victim blaming at its best. Waiting outside the CR is now seen as a first act.

Apologies as I'm sure somebody has already asked, but is this being livestreamed and what is the email address to ask for access?

The impression I get from reading the threads is that she is accused of 'not making eye contact', 'using the wrong pronouns' and not going into a changing room while he's in it.

And because of that, Dr Upton was signed off with stress for two months. What happens if his patient dies? What happens if a patient disagrees with him?