Another GC Employment Tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #4

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gender Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM or KT: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22-23 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2
Thread #3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4990903-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-3

And now the Witness is contradicting herself on the service users rights to know things

I cant find the statement 'we believe TWAW' on the ercc website...?

God the bloody TWAW mantra
AGAIN!!

Why would they know about MW?

She shares her status, but TWAW.

Arrgh!

Did anyone else let out a groan as the witness says 'TWAW' yet again?!

Lots more rousing, inspiring poetry by Irischild here:
https://irischild.blogspot.com/?m=1

Between the tribunal and the poetry, that’ll be all my tea breaks occupied for today.

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The witness cannot acknowledge that the service users' needs should come about MW's.

Witness thinks it fine if MW chooses not to disclose to service user

MS said MW shares they're a transwoman in the first session with a service user. I think she just made that up to get out of a tight spot.

Now then. MW is just on a mission to let raped women know that it's normal to orgasm during rape 🤮

NC: can you imagine that that might be traumatic? [realising your counsellor has a male body]
Witness: I suppose if the SU is a Muslim woman who believes in sex realism, then yes

I concur

NC really showing up the chances to cause further trauma to rape victims through their current policies and beliefs

NC What is true. That the su will be told, or they won't.

MS MW has the right to share her background if she wants to.

NC MW has the right to share. Su don't have the right to know.

MS for us TWAW.

NC So not compulsory for MW to disclose, cos TWAW.

NC So my hypothetical muslim woman, who has had several sessions with MW. Some muslim women will be gc, it's a plausible hypothetical .

MS not realistic that woman would have several sessions and then realise MW is tw, cos MW tells them.

NC but you said MW under no obligation. What would our su feel if she found out later after sharing her trauma that MW is a tw. She would feel traumatised

MS If she's a muslim woman who believes in sex realism, then yes.

Feels like this should be a deception offence tbh

has it started again?

This.

@BlessedKali yes, in session now

concur again

"Does it matter if a Muslim sex-realist woman is traumatised?"

"Of course."

WELL NOT THAT MUCH, CLEARLY.

hmm I'm in but I can't see anything

You aren't missing much.

I feel as if the Muslim bit is a red herring. I'm an atheist and would feel traumatised. It's about being denied the facts and not having choices.

Why would someone who is not trans look at that? it is about how they support trans people, not that their staff may be trans