Another GC Employment Tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #4

[nauticant]

Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gender Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM or KT: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22-23 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Miren Sagues (MS): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katie Horburgh (KH): 24 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2
Thread #3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4990903-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-3

So who is involving apprentices in disciplinary proceedings? Worknest or ERCC?

Can we ask the Charity commission to launch an investigation into ERCC on the back of this testimony which clearly shows they're not fit for purpose and their POLICY is to discriminate on the basis of belief (and lie about reality to vulnerable rape survivors - so safeguarding breaches too).

In ERCC land

"suck it up Lucy love, those grown ups are entitled to be there as you. Stop thinking of yourself and affirm their age. You little bigot"

Witness was Told apprentice made the error!!

NC [reads from letter to RA, inc] If gross misconduct may be dismissed without notice or pay.

NC Corrected letter has that bit removed as well. Everything c possible consequence been removed. Not just 'gross' - a typo. That tends to suggest the decision to charge with gross misconduct was changed.

MS I was told it was a mistake

MS: "What I was told" ... was what I based my response on.

NC leading witness through the letter: it wasn't just that one careless word "gross" slipped in, but an explanation later in the letter explaining the potential outcomes of gross misconduct. Not just a one-word slip.

Given ERCC have a problem with understanding commonly understood words such as 'woman' - what would they do if a rape survivor said 'I was raped by someone with a penis, I want a counsellor without a penis and who has never had a penis'?

Who knows? Probably claim GDPR means we can't possibly know.

Witness didn't speak to the disciplinary panel so as to keep the two processes separate

Between today and yesterday one thing is obvious - These witnesses are completely invested in TWAW even to the point of TW are female with no room for nuiance or acknowledgment of conflict arising from that stance. The is no wiggle room, or room for debate, or meet in the middle. They are all in on TWAW

Interesting how they're throwing women under the bus in this ET and not the man in charge of all the policies. Almost as if sex matters...

It's obvious something major went on at this point but no one seems to know anything

NC exposing that the "error" than is being presented as a minor slip is actually quite large and a lot more going on behind the scenes.

MS: We are all volunteers. We all have day jobs.

She's being the most frank of them all. (So far.)

NC We were told the gross misconduct bit was sent by ercc, and signed off by Worknest.

MS don't know.

NC Do you agree that the change is more supportive of change of heart interpretation than error interpretation.

MS don't agree. I don't know.

NC Was there a tussle within ercc c how to proceed.

MS Don't know. We are all volunteers, all have day jobs

They are totally brainwashed and have drunk the kool aid. It's bizarre to watch.

It's as if they are arguing that gravity doesn't exist and NC is saying 'but we're all sitting here, not floating around, how do you explain that?' and they just say 'what you said is not true' even though it's obviously true.

Definitely, I imagine there is no chance of becoming an ERCC trustee if you are not fully on board with TWAW

'There is no rape crisis service in Scotland that requires a gender recognition certificate. Where services are available to women only, women are not required to provide ‘proof’ of their sex. All rape crisis services in Scotland are inclusive of transwomen and have been for 15 years. In those 15 years, there has not been a single incident of anyone abusing this.'

From -
www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/news/news/rape-crisis-scotland-statement-on-the-open-letter-to-special-rapporteur-on-violence-agains/

And just to reiterate - ERCC and Rape Crisis Scotland also, shamefully, campaigned against the six words amendment of the Forensic Medical Services Bill.

To paraphrase Rabbie Burns -

'Bought and sold for Scottish Government gold,
What a parcel of rogues in this nation'.

Witness I was Given template by hr of what to write

And ERCC will simply not acknowledge that women self excluding from services is a problem.

Trying to follow this. Could@nauticant please post the TT link, if that's where pp are following the case? Thanks.

@Villagetoraiseachild

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1750093233370112299

Thank you @Waitwhat23 that's shocking.

I think evidence of that being abused is plain for all to see now.

You can also watch it live

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Mention you want video access, otherwise they'll email you to ask if you want video or attending in person access.

They'll send you an email with a link and a code and with 2 pdfs, one for watching on computer, one for tablets and phones.

Plus, want better video:

As you go through the process of logging into the meeting there's a settings button. Inside the settings there a bandwidth option near the bottom. By default it's set to medium. Setting this to high will give better video quality for those who have complained the video is too poor. It will use up more mobile data the higher it is set. I advise against setting it to ultra, high on home internet or wifi is great.

ERCC advised to apologise to Roz for accusations of transphobia