Jo Phoenix in Woman’s Hour today (Tuesday)

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There may already be a thread but I didn’t spot one. Wanted to flag this (rather unexpected!) interview.

Womans Hour starts at 10am

Damn, can't listen coz of stupid meetings 🤦🏻‍♂️ will be fascinated to hear how it goes

Argh, out and aboit and no head phones. What time is she on?

Thanks for tip

Thank you - Emma has just started talking about Jo’s case with more to come

Listening now to the dulcet tones of Emma

Bumping for traffic

Good description of what gender critical is.

Hi just started and asking for comments from people who have views about the workplace treatment of people who want to be able politely to disagree with the view that you can change sex without bring bullied and harassed

YAS! Go Jo!

Jo is such a good speaker. The term gender critical belief is annoying though. Fact not belief

Can listen to the show anytime, from right now on player - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm rewind it to 10am today

I've just switched on so am going back on Sounds to listen from the start. Thanks for flagging!

Hardest six years of her life.

I'm so sorry, Jo.

Go Jo!

Such a powerful interview, I don't know how Jo is even able to form sentences this morning after all she has been through. I wish the BBC and other mainstream outlets would be more robust about what gender critical really means, it must still be a mystery to many people (despite how ordinary the facts of sex are).

She is being given the chance to speak, and is very articulate (not surprising).

Listening now.

Wonderful that Jo is getting the opportunity to tell her story.
Emma is giving her time and space.

At last Women's Hour.
But I'll still never forget how you let women down for years not covering these stories.

She did find the cross examination awful. Poor Jo. Same as a rape trial. So awful for her.

Jo on the effect of being in the hearing:

'As bad as the experience at the OU, as bad as the experince in my young life' (as a teen she took two people to court for raping her).

Fucksake, Jo. This is so heartrending.

Emma: this is Comparable to surviving a rape and the court case that followed?

Jo: Yep.

(paraphrasing)

The gaslighting. The doubting of women's testimony. Yes. It's all coercive control.

Jo what the OU did to you is an utter disgrace!

please know your crowdfunder was a pleasure to contribute to 🍾

Thank you Emma for this thoughtful interview.

Qu:Have colleagues been in touch?

No. Of 360 people who signed the letter, a good percentage got caught up in the mob moment and maybe revert what they did....no-one apologised

Too fucking right. I'm proud to have contributed, thank you for giving us the opportunity to set things right, Jo.

So glad that there is no hurry here - all the time and space to hear. So important and so glad.

I disagree, the use of the word belief highlights how ridiculous it is.