Jo Phoenix in Woman’s Hour today (Tuesday)

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There may already be a thread but I didn’t spot one. Wanted to flag this (rather unexpected!) interview.

Womans Hour starts at 10am

CrossPurposes · Today 12:12

Zoe Williams has an interesting take:

Ah! I've literally posted on her twitter, copied your post here and she's banned me already!

Kathleen Stock's reaction to Zoe. She's so right.

Oh I don't know, that would be interesting.

x.com/bindelj/status/1749760159251886182?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Bindel

When you thought your opinion of Zoe Williams couldn't get any lower...

She really is an appalling woman. I wonder if Jo will get on Newsnight or the like? The point made by a PP than the OU know there are more cases in the pipeline is significant, I think.

I haven't been able to listen to all of the interview with Prof. Phoenix yet, it's too upsetting so I've been listening in short chunks. But I do have to mentally leave it now and again. Poor woman, the pain in her voice is hard to hear. It's impossible to imagine how anyone could have listened to it and approached it from the angle that Zoe has, that by allowing Prof. Phoenix to tell her own story in her own words on a show about women's issues, trans people have somehow suffered an injustice or deprivation.

You're not wrong. I found this on her twiX. I'm pretty sure that's an Australian shepherd 😍.

https://x.com/zoesqwilliams/status/1245444865477001219?s=20

Although the dog, that might be a collie 😁

That is a very interesting phrase: "a binary power grab". I suppose that's any fundamentalism really. But so incredibly ironic for an ideology that claims to disrupt binaries to be so determinedly binary by nature.
Drawing lines in the sand and judging by who is on one side or the other. Painting labels of whatever-phobia, heretic, unclean on people. I was wondering how many of the people doing this to Jo Phoenix were women. Enthusiastic allies paying their dues to some sort of God who will absolve them of sin and shame. Jo's story doesn't seem to help those who have already swallowed the pill but it might help inoculate others.

Professor Wootton at York uni, and a number of academics in the replies...

x.com/profwootton/status/1749574679637918123?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

I hope this judgement sends quakes through every academic institution

OU are in cloud cuckoo land if they think we all aren't disgusted and appalled. What planet are they on?

It’s on instagram. The page is followed by a lot of high profile accounts and women. Good to see this is now being reported unashamedly

On woman's hour there was a comment read out about some TRA stating that violence should not be linked to genitals.

I'm so tired of this stupidity. Depending on location 85-95% of all violent crimes are committed by men. If men would disappear overnight women would live in an utopia.

Sex matters.

I agree that violence shouldn't be linked to genitals - but it is. If those with male genitals could please stop doing violence it would be gr8 but they don't seem inclined, particularly.

Sneak peak of tomorrow's Guardian: https://x.com/ExcelPope/status/1749799694400995429?s=20

It sounds like a typically thoughtful and informative read.

The thing is I wouldn't put it past Zoe writing exactly that.

Done!

Niminy · Today 16:00

Sneak peak of tomorrow's Guardian:

😂

x.com/suzanne_moore/status/1749736753517236253?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Ooh, yes, get Suzanne on!

Christ. That interview really brings to life how terribly Jo has been treated.

If you ever read this Jo- thank you so very much for keeping going. It would have been so easy just to give in. You said you aren't sure it's courage that drove you on but that is the only word for it.

Care of a PP (@flimpychimp I think?) on the other thread

It describes former male friends of mine…
(still male, no longer friends)

Couldn't sleep last night so I read through the whole pile about Jo's tribunal. When you do it that way you can see the horrors she has experienced seeping in slowly stage by stage. She was treated like a typhoid Mary, her getting a large grant was met with silence in a faculty meeting where someone else was applauded for a much lesser achievement and so on.

But what really stuck out to me from the various e-mails, open letter(s) etc. was that this new ideology supports rights and fair treatments only for some demographic groups and not for everyone.

And if you then raise your head from your mobile and think for a moment you realise that this is true in all the gender identity ideology:

The rare identities are supported while everybody else is expected to be the background with firm acceptance of sexist two-dimensional binary stereotypes for themselves.

Apologies for not being on the topic.

Jeez, if only it was just an hour Zoe.

On and on and on go the TRAs, invading spaces, forcing women to share single sex spaces, pushing them out of jobs and sports, silencing them for daring to point out that no-one can change sex. It’s like we’ve reverted back to times to when people believed the Earth was flat and it’s every fucking hour of every fucking day of this nonsense.