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Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

995 replies

nauticant · 19/01/2024 12:59

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

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Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:39

Asking about Meeting between AB and Nico

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:40

AB had said to service user I'm non binary if you want to work with woman identifying person that's ok

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 12:40

'woman identifying person' Good grief

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 12:41

DH: turns to note of mtg Nico and AB. Reads - AB has said to su I'm nb, if you want to work with woman-identifying person that's okay. ['woman-identifying' that's what DH just said - surely can't be what's in note]

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:42

The trouble there is that a man is woman identifying at ERCC so potentially the service user could have ended up with the one thing she didn't want!

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:43

On to ABs demeanour - they were upset about the whole situation and being seen as the problem.

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 22/01/2024 12:43

Oh, fucking hell.

And they expect traumatised women to have the capacity to navigate this crap in order to make sure they get counselling from a woman?

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 12:43

DH ; AB's demeanour during 30 June mtg?

KT: They were upset c whole situation and by feeling being in centre of something and being seen as the problem

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:44

Took notes on meeting with c laiment 6th July did you follow the same process as described (earlier) to take your notes

Poinsettiasarevile · 22/01/2024 12:44

Clarificatory is not a word

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/01/2024 12:45

Thanks Flowers

WallaceinAnderland · 22/01/2024 12:45

Poinsettiasarevile · 22/01/2024 12:44

Clarificatory is not a word

😂

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:46

I've lost what they are on about

Froodwithatowel · 22/01/2024 12:46

I can't get my head around the lack of empathy, compassion or even basic understanding of rape and trauma and boundary violation that means that staff would expect their service users to engage in these games. It's boggling.

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 12:47

A client wrote an email asking about the gender identity of a support worker.

nauticant · 22/01/2024 12:47

The gender identity of a support worker other than AB had also been a question raised by a service user.

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Datun · 22/01/2024 12:47

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 22/01/2024 12:43

Oh, fucking hell.

And they expect traumatised women to have the capacity to navigate this crap in order to make sure they get counselling from a woman?

This, this, this.

Who the fuck do they think they are, and who the fucking hell do they think they are there for exactly??

It's a disgusting display of utter narcissism.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:47

Only one NB support worker in the service at the time AB

ickky · 22/01/2024 12:47

Poinsettiasarevile · 22/01/2024 12:44

Clarificatory is not a word

I did wonder 😂

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 12:47

DH: re another Investigation note. MW being interviewed. MW aware of another su raising an issue via email.

DH: As service manager to what extent were you aware of su inquiries c gi of AB.

KT This was a su being supported by a sw and asking the sw if they were a tw and wanting info c their gi.

DH: Did this concern a sw other than AB?

KT yes

DH how many nb-id sw were there in the service

KT One. AB.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:49

On about advice from worknest

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 12:50

2nd interview as some support workers were concerned about some comments 'RA had made...

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 12:50

RA was upset...

Obvs

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:50

How would you describe the tone of this meeting? Claimant was upset about being brought in fur second meeting and concerned about questions so difficult meeting

Chrysanthemum5 · 22/01/2024 12:51

Why does it sound as is a herd of horses keep clip clopping through?