Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

[nauticant]

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

Placemarking. Thanks again everyone reporting from the trib.

I suppose she's in the position of either clinging to the belief that if they say so then they are and reality has gone poof and ceased to exist - and to try clinging on to that in the face of all questions when just cancelling the speaker isn't an option - or to try and state the two ends of the broken bridge and try and make it make sense.

They should have informed choice about sex.

But we can't tell them/ staff are what they say they are/ asking is a sin

Hence the 'I would have to ask what I'm supposed to say advice'.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

[MR needn't worry about anyone thinking she is from Harvard]

No, I think she does sound like Claudine Gay etc. And she knows that.

Sorry, I meant the other Harvard. The old-fashioned one. The one with intellectual intelligence and proper academic discipline.

she would have to seek advice from higher up if an 'AMAB' non binary person was employed and the sex of worker question was asked.

So she's suggesting she would commit gross misconduct?

I'm so hoping the witnesses for ERCC run in the usual most normal to completely batshit order.

So someone has a legal sex because it's in their passport?

Right so how does that work for NB people who have a sex in their passport?

Especially given the context of the very heart of this case in the first place.

If they truly believed someones sex is defined by what's in their passport, then the original question would have easily been solved by looking in a bloody passport and we'd have no court case.

These people cherry pick the bollocks that suits them and impose it on everyone else.

This is not legally enforcable. We have clear legal definitions so people in authority can't pick and choose and abuse staff in the process.

I hope they ripe them apart on this point alone.

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Thanks for the thread @nauticant

Here are this mornings tweets
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1748276923338207647.html 1st half

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1748308492530688282.html 2nd half

Thanks for the new thread.
Same shit, different E.T.

I guess so!

Every time there's one of these Employment Tribunals I think, well, it sounds interesting but I really don't have the time to watch the stream, then I start reading the tweets and posts, then I think I ABSOLUTELY MUST GET ON THE STREAM, and when I do I am hooked.

"You can hold gender critical beliefs but you cannot express them" they probably got their advice third hand but ultimately from RMW or similar.

PMK

This is likely to be some of it.

What actually happened in a case (or in law), and what is then reframed and re worked and then sold as having happened, are often not the same thing.

It's the core issue really. Can reality be re framed to something a more powerful group wishes, and then others coerced and forced into enabling it and denying their own reality. About sex, and by extension about all kinds of things.

It's an addiction.

Someone has been tweaking MW's Wikipedia page

How does MW have sex listed as female on passport when MW doesn't have a GRC?

https://wingsoverscotland.com/waiting-for-the-men/

Above has evidence that Wadhwa's job was reserved for women under the EA.

Two possible reasons: MW got a doctors note.

Or MW gave a statement countersigned by someone in good standing in the community.

You can self declare your sex for passports.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/gender-recognition/gender-recognition-accessible

'Crossdressers

We can only issue a passport if it’s established the customer is using their new identity for all purposes. You, the examiner, must not issue a passport in a name a customer uses for some but not all purposes.
If the customer cannot provide medical evidence, they must make a statement confirming they permanently use the preferred identity. They must also have a countersignatory or digital referee confirm their new identity and send us evidence if they have changed their name (see Names - evidence to change a name)
You must scan the customers signed statement that confirms they use the preferred identity on to the application (see gender recognition: scanning supporting documents)

Customers holding a foreign passport in another gender

When a person changing their gender (and or name) holds a foreign passport, you must make sure you follow the ‘one name for all purposes’ policy principle and the requirements to align foreign documents.
If Knowledge Base confirms the customer cannot change their name (and or gender) and it is not possible for them to align their foreign passport showing their new identity, an exception must be applied. See Names - aligning names on foreign documents (Transgender and adoption case types).'

(My bold - Arabella)

You don't even always need a doctors note either (my bold).

Crossdressers
We can only issue a passport if it’s established the customer is using their new identity for all purposes. You, the examiner, must not issue a passport in a name a customer uses for some but not all purposes.
If the customer cannot provide medical evidence, they must make a statement confirming they permanently use the preferred identity. They must also have a countersignatory or digital referee confirm their new identity and send us evidence if they have changed their name (see Names - evidence to change a name)
You must scan the customers signed statement that confirms they use the preferred identity on to the application (see gender recognition: scanning supporting documents)

So this is essentially self ID.

Haha x post Arabella

Doesn't that actually make entry to some countries difficult? If they look at the passport and it says 'female' but there's an obvious male standing there. Not every country has gone down the 'we are what we say we are' cognitive dissonance road.

I would have thought appearing to be what you say you are on your passport is the lowest bar for actually gaining entry.