Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

[nauticant]

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

Jesus this is slow

They don’t employ men and service users can request a different counsellor Does this witness fully understand why she’s there and what the case is about?

The barrister leading the client through their evidence is slow. The fireworks start in cross-examination.

This is faster than the other day was when he was questioning RA!

You do have to wonder!

DH - c data protection policy and how is KT able to ascertain date of policy passed.

KT says June 2018. No substantial revision since.

KT: we're in process of updating our policies atm. [bet they are]

Are they on about the table that no one else had seen again

The mysterious table again. KT can't remember seeing it.

KT: we're in process of updating our policies atm. [bet they are] 😅

I said exactly the same thing.

Something about there would be minutes of the documents being passed

What, the creche that is their Board

On to her experience of disciplinary procedures - she doesn't have any particular training within ERCC

No experience in managing disciplinary matters.

At that point

DH : your involvement in disci interviews concerning RA. What exp at that point did you have in dealing with disc issues.

KT: No active exp in managing disc but had training in previous employment re disc and grievance. No training within ERCC at that point. Have had training since.

Unsurprisingly KM has subsequently had training in grievance and disciplinary management.

Is this witness Roz's line manager?

Note to you all, if you are ever asked to get involved in a disciplinary process, keep your own contemporary notes and ensure you ask for training if you havent had it.

I think so.

DH: you were a notetaker at a meeting and interviewed yourself at some point. Who asked you to take notes.

KT: MW. Nico also involved.

DH: Were you involved in starting investigation.

KT No - that's Nico's area

Can someone let me know who to email so that I can watch tomorrow please? I've tried to find it but the thread's too long.

KT I typed as close an account of the conversations as I cd into word doc and shared with both parties for them to agree to the record. That final doc went to Nico to be part of investigation.

DH: Who would you have shown notes

KT only Nico as investigating officer and person interviewed. No one else.

I have chaired quite a few grievances in my time, over the last 5 years it seems the nature of them have shifted. Lots more focused around protected characteristics. It makes understanding the law and process even more important.

Go here BoreOfWhabylon

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Anyone reading who wants to watch as well:

Email: [email protected]

Ask for

Public access request RAdam v ERCC 4102236/2023

Mention you want video access, otherwise they'll email you to ask if you want video or attending in person access.

They'll send you an email with a link and a code and with 2 pdfs, one for watching on computer, one for tablets and phones.