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Trans Ideology - a real life debate

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Forester1 · 26/10/2023 19:11

So something that is far too rare - a proper debate

For me positions can be summarised as:

Mark Glenening - free speech paramount - and shouldnt have compelled speech
Helen Joyce - Single sex spaces are needed - males need to keep out - however they identify
Freda Wallace - Me, me, me, my sex life, me
Peter Tatchell - Akin to fight for gay rights, black rights. I don’t see any issues. Be kind.

DEBATE: Does transgender ideology threaten liberal values?

Debates surrounding gender identity have gained prominence in the last few years.Trans rights activists have argued that trans people have a right to be reco...

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CorruptedCauldron · 27/10/2023 18:12

Congratulations @RealityFan ! 🍾 🥂

ApocalipstickNow · 27/10/2023 18:13

Can Tatchell really have been happy with what he heard from Wallace? I suspect not 100%, but for him to peel away from the TQ+ now risks him losing all influence.

Tatchell can back away with ease, he just needs to humbly say he no longer feels, as a cis man, he is an appropriate voice for the trans community, he’s educated himself and he apologises for speaking over anyone trans and he wishes to elevate trans voices blah blah blah etc then he can go back to advocating for whoever will have him.

ILikeDungs · 27/10/2023 18:16

YetAnotherSpartacus · 27/10/2023 12:38

I thought ball sack and then I thought, no, surely not.

But yeah, it is just thigh fat I think. Otherwise the front row of the audience had an eye-level view of the danglies for the duration and that is too grizzly to contemplate.

And many congrats, RealityFan!

Boiledbeetle · 27/10/2023 18:20

Now I'm not saying the LGB tra protest was boring but Freda has resorted to umbrella twirling!

https://twitter.com/QueensSpeechUK/status/1717900562111377649?s=19

Trans Ideology - a real life debate
Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 27/10/2023 18:21

Congratulations, RealityFan!

OceanicBoundlessness · 27/10/2023 18:25

I listened to this while driving home today. Freda's outburst about Freda's fetishes was something else. Absolutely horrifying hearing that bit that probably should stay quiet out loud.

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 18:38

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 27/10/2023 18:21

Congratulations, RealityFan!

Cheers! Despite my username here, more UnrealityFan these last two days. Part of reason to get married is to work at balance in my life, that can be quite hard when my deep interest in our topic here is so, well, unbalancing.

Indeed, this is a common feeling I have now, the world feels unbalanced, as if a social contract is being forced on us, lobsiding our common understanding of the world, people, issues.

My wedge always was the frothy end of the phenomenon, getting cross with the individuals...Lia Thomas, Dylan Mulvaney, Freda Wallace/Miko Minio/Sarah Jane Baker etc.

But now I realise these individuals are almost like decoys. Their visibility and frankly batshit crazy actions soak up the energy of all of us fighting this tightening noose.

However the tightening noose are all the professional managerial classes/elites creed behaviour in campus/in academia, the civil service, health and schooling. And the relentless push to trans conversion bans, self ID, expanding the numbers and remit of GRA.

Freda Wallace is just the equivalent of a Molotov Cocktail thrown at GC barricades. Who's doing the throwing? And what bigger measures are they taking?

Because I think MN will effervesce once Labour win, and their quota driven program comes into being. We'll see the professional managerial classes absolutely strut their stuff from late 2024. Freda Wallace will be a footnote for 2023.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/10/2023 18:44

🍾🥂🎂@RealityFan Congratulations!

The internet tells me: "People are weird. When we find someone with weirdness that is compatible with ours, we team up and call it love." – Dr. Seuss Sounds about right to me (40+ years before the mast).

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 18:50

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/10/2023 18:44

🍾🥂🎂@RealityFan Congratulations!

The internet tells me: "People are weird. When we find someone with weirdness that is compatible with ours, we team up and call it love." – Dr. Seuss Sounds about right to me (40+ years before the mast).

There's no doubt, two lots of weird meshing is a partnership.

But total weirdness crowbarred into stable society? No, that's not gonna fly. Indeed society is crashing and burning as a result.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/10/2023 18:51

Yes, agreed.

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 19:32

Boiledbeetle · 27/10/2023 18:10

Remembers we were promised wedding cake

God damn, there's always something on the list you forget.
Ring, speech, kiss the bride, cake for MNers.
Guess what I forgot?

Boiledbeetle · 27/10/2023 19:35

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 19:32

God damn, there's always something on the list you forget.
Ring, speech, kiss the bride, cake for MNers.
Guess what I forgot?

The ring?

Better not be our cake

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 27/10/2023 19:40

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 19:32

God damn, there's always something on the list you forget.
Ring, speech, kiss the bride, cake for MNers.
Guess what I forgot?

I'm cake gender and I'm pretty sure failure to give me cake is literal violence?
Do you want me dead?

JanesLittleGirl · 27/10/2023 19:43

Cake and it better be a rich fruit cake with marzipan and royal icing.

Joke - honestly.

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 19:43

Boiledbeetle · 27/10/2023 19:35

The ring?

Better not be our cake

It was really good. Absolutely saturated with brandy. What can I say?

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 19:43

JanesLittleGirl · 27/10/2023 19:43

Cake and it better be a rich fruit cake with marzipan and royal icing.

Joke - honestly.

No joke, you're close.

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 19:46

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 27/10/2023 19:40

I'm cake gender and I'm pretty sure failure to give me cake is literal violence?
Do you want me dead?

I can't love everyone. Remember, it's sticks and stones that break your bones, not words.

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 27/10/2023 19:52

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 19:46

I can't love everyone. Remember, it's sticks and stones that break your bones, not words.

They hurts us the words does. Nasty words, horrid words, words that say no cake, no cake for us.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/10/2023 19:58

Congratulations @RealityFan

I like to think we were there in spirit with cheese, gin and some possibly suspect dancing 😁

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice love the name, brings back memories 😆😆 no cake for the precious

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 19:58

It's times like this you realise the universe is a cold, heartless place, and there are no happy endings.

And that's just my marriage, lol.

Terfosaurus · 27/10/2023 20:00

I'm just watching this with 19 year old DS. It's very interesting. I'll read the thread when I'm finished.

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 27/10/2023 20:01

Poor long suffering Mr Busservice has chalked up over 20 years of my heartlessness and I can't take him back, as he's out of warranty.

JanesLittleGirl · 27/10/2023 20:01

RealityFan · 27/10/2023 19:58

It's times like this you realise the universe is a cold, heartless place, and there are no happy endings.

And that's just my marriage, lol.

You don't expect it to go downhill then. Congratulations!

Justnot · 27/10/2023 20:04

Congrats Reality - nice to have something to smile about

MadderthanMorris · 27/10/2023 20:08

That was quite interesting. Freda Wallace was all over the place but Tatchell, although I disagree with his basic position, did actually make some decent arguments.

I don't know how they chose the audience but it was obviously extremely biased towards one side, which is not ideal for a debate.

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