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Grimchmas · 13/08/2023 09:16

@loislovesstewie
Actually, may I just say that ANYONE, can refuse to have sex/be in a romantic relationship with any other person for ANY reason or NO reason at all.
Just to be clear, a lesbian doesn't have a penis, but notwithstanding that just saying 'no' is good enough and those who have a penis need to accept that.

This should be a given. I think part of the problem is that increasingly women aren't allowed to say that their no is because that person has a penis/is a male/ is a TW. To do presents an ever increasing risk of the age-old violence and rage of an Entitled Man who is being denied what he wants by a woman. And these days he brings his mates round to harass and give you rape and death threats, too.

Ofcourseshecan · 13/08/2023 09:16

OwningAllMyMistakes · 13/08/2023 07:19

How do you know they have penises ? Can you tell if someone has a penis or not?
its a lot easier to tell if someone’s a bigot than it is if someone has a penis.

It’s not usually hard to tell if someone’s a ‘penis-haver’, even the rare ones who have had their penis removed. First there are all the physical clues, then there’s the overpowering sense of male entitlement.

Marchmount · 13/08/2023 09:16

OwningAllMyMistakes · 13/08/2023 07:19

How do you know they have penises ? Can you tell if someone has a penis or not?
its a lot easier to tell if someone’s a bigot than it is if someone has a penis.

Visible erections are a bit of a “tell” doncha think? If not, the Adams apple might give it away. Unless you are one of these people who claim that they can’t tell someone’s sex.

The question is why do some transwomen want to force unwilling women to date them. It would be like me going into a gay bar and accusing the men of having a genital fetish because they’re gay.

Datun · 13/08/2023 09:18

Anxioys · 13/08/2023 09:04

Personally I am annoyed because I missed this event.

But also, it makes me wonder how ridiculous matters have got when this event may have issues, but a gender critical dating event would not, for example. The second would have some measure of legal protection because it would be a group with a belief.

This is part of the issue; sexuality is not a belief, attraction is not, yet being a lesbian can be redefined socially however, a gender critical lesbian could run an event, subject to the fact that presumably a group of trans activists would be outside protesting.

Also, gay men do not like fannies and to suggest that they do is homophobia.

But also, it makes me wonder how ridiculous matters have got when this event may have issues, but a gender critical dating event would not, for example. The second would have some measure of legal protection because it would be a group with a belief.

That's genius!!

A gender critical, woman only speed dating evening.

Heads will explode.

And yes, it's legally protected.

WeWereInParis · 13/08/2023 09:19

Keep feeling yourself that and you’ll think your ok but I’m not sure you are ?but I’ll be my left leg a gay man wouldn’t be put off by a transman.

Out of interest, do you also think straight women wouldn't be put off by a trans man's vagina? Or is it just gay people whose sexuality you deny?

turbonerd · 13/08/2023 09:23

This one cracked me up!
The whole alphabet soup is in there, so tell me who can not come in?

MrsMarzetti · 13/08/2023 09:24

OwningAllMyMistakes · 13/08/2023 07:19

How do you know they have penises ? Can you tell if someone has a penis or not?
its a lot easier to tell if someone’s a bigot than it is if someone has a penis.

No but i can damn well tell when some was born with a prostate. If it looks male, sounds like a male and walks like a male then you can bet your arse it is male.

Ellie1015 · 13/08/2023 09:26

It is useful to transwomen to state no transwomen at the event rather than just feeling rejected and perhaps not knowing why.

The man in the purple latex or the other man pressing against a women in the toilets do not sound like genuine transwomen looking for a date. I expect other events are on offer elsewhere.

Lesbians not wanting to date someone with a penis is not transphobic.

Grimchmas · 13/08/2023 09:28

@AlisonDonut than you for posting that video. I'd seen most of the clips before but she's a really good presenter!

ChokkaQuokka · 13/08/2023 09:28

This article from 4W seems
relevant. The combination of “lesbian” porn and the “Be Kind” mentality encouraged their presumption.

https://4w.pub/these-men-were-promised-lesbians/

These Men Were Promised Lesbians

No amount of political lobbying can make lesbians fancy men. That's not what the boys were expecting.

https://4w.pub/these-men-were-promised-lesbians/

SamW98 · 13/08/2023 09:29

Or maybe trans women start their own speed dating event and stop trying to gatecrash others enjoyment.

I would bet money those reporting the organiser didn’t even want to go, they just wanted to stop those pesky women having something of their own without entitled men.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/08/2023 09:30

It is useful to transwomen to state no transwomen at the event rather than just feeling rejected and perhaps not knowing why

does the fact they’re a man not clue them in at all?

I mean seriously they know full well they are male, they just couldn’t give af about women’s boundaries especially lesbians because everything is about them

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 13/08/2023 09:34

Ellie1015 · 13/08/2023 09:26

It is useful to transwomen to state no transwomen at the event rather than just feeling rejected and perhaps not knowing why.

The man in the purple latex or the other man pressing against a women in the toilets do not sound like genuine transwomen looking for a date. I expect other events are on offer elsewhere.

Lesbians not wanting to date someone with a penis is not transphobic.

How does one tell the difference between a genuine, and non genuine transwoman?

Grimchmas · 13/08/2023 09:36

In a world with as many sexual preferences as our alphabet soup, it's a bit rich that it's Not Allowed for people to have a preference that excludes trans identifying people.

You're allowed to exclude women, you're allowed to exclude men (*if you abide by some dodgy rules), you get a special alphabet letter and your very own flag for almost every special way you can think of to identify up to and including pony and rubber kink pride flags, but to say you are only attracted to people who think gender ID is bobbins, or whose gender expression is in alignment with their sex? Absolutely awful, you aren't allowed that.

Anxioys · 13/08/2023 09:37

Does it matter? They are male. Being a lesbian means you are interested in biological women, not a photocopy

Grimchmas · 13/08/2023 09:39

@SamW98 because only TW would turn up and they know what we do - that TW don't want to date TW any more than lesbians do.

xXJoy · 13/08/2023 09:45

That is so ridiculous isn't it. Men would never tolerate being told who they should date. A lot of men won't date a woman their own age and nobody can make them! So the idiocy of telling lesbians they're transphobes for not wanting penises......... give me strength

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 13/08/2023 09:53

This has really really riled me. I work for a stonewall diversity champion, fully captured, no debate.

I've just emailed the group that owns the pub to tell them how outrageous it is that they're 'investigating' a group of people for wishing to exercise their legally protected rights.

I only have one email address. I'm probably very traceable. But I have had enough of selfish priveledged MEN trying to wrestle hard won rights and protections from every other disadvantaged group they can think of. I'm sick of it.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 13/08/2023 09:55

@GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut what's the email address? Wouldn't hurt to have a onslaught of emails telling them how ridiculous this is. Also so sick of this shit.

Datun · 13/08/2023 09:57

ChokkaQuokka · 13/08/2023 09:28

This article from 4W seems
relevant. The combination of “lesbian” porn and the “Be Kind” mentality encouraged their presumption.

https://4w.pub/these-men-were-promised-lesbians/

In a 2019 study, only 3.1% of straight (and non-trans) people were willing to date a trans person. Lesbians were more likely to be game, though it turned out that their willingness only extended to natal women. And in news that would have shocked not a single female – had any of us been consulted – it turns out almost nobody wants to date trans women.

Whose idea was it to tell heterosexual men that they could change their wardrobe and the world would see them as women? A non-exhaustive list: your local government, your government, your federalgovernment, your national broadcaster, theHER app, and your local arts centre.

She goes on to explain the reason why this big lie has been perpetrated is because transactivist went straight to politicians, uninterested in trying to win the hearts and minds of the public to get them on board.

The public aren't on board.

It's an interesting question, though. For a group who are very effective in changing rules and regulations, and shutting down opposition, what did they actually think would happen in the end? We don't live in a totalitarian state.

And public opinion will prevail in the end.

They knew they had to circumvent public opinion. How did they think it would actually carry on forever?

Who will date a trans person? | Fifteen Eighty Four | Cambridge University Press

In a recent study published in the Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, 87.5% of the participants who were asked this same question only checked off the cisgender options and excluded transgender and non-binary individuals from their hypotheti...

https://www.cambridgeblog.org/2019/06/who-will-date-a-trans-person/

Anxioys · 13/08/2023 09:58

I wouldn't go all in on the venue, it's a business. Making pubs reluctant to host is part of the idea. The organisers need to address the issue and they have.

StarlightLady · 13/08/2023 10:00

This is getting really silly. Lesbians want to meet other women. End of!

RumNotRun · 13/08/2023 10:08

I read the link that @WeWillLookBack posted and then clicked on this one

metro.co.uk/2023/08/11/im-abrosexual-it-took-me-30-years-to-realise-19298652/?ito=article.mweb.share.top.link

WTAF?

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 13/08/2023 10:09

Head office

[email protected]

RumNotRun · 13/08/2023 10:09

I did think it was going to be about her fancying trees but I just read the word wrong 😁

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