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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 12/08/2023 23:38

Maybe you could put all the ‘new women’ with each other?

Rightsraptor · 12/08/2023 23:44

Do those male attendees seriously imagine a lesbian would be interested in them?

And, naturally, they've reported the organiser Jenny to her employer. Hoping to get her sacked from her job, nasty bunch that they are. And the pub is investigating that the events aren't 'trans inclusive'. FFS, why should they be?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/08/2023 23:46

This is the sleight of hand that's been pulled. Lesbians are women. Not men. You can be "trans inclusive" and still single sex.

DuesToTheDirt · 12/08/2023 23:47

What the hell is "transphobia" in this instance? Lesbians wanting to date women, with female genitals, is that transphobia? Rhetorical question, yes of course it's transphobia, everything is transphobic. Reminds me of the Joe Jackson song, "Everything gives you cancer, everything... there's no cure, there's no answer, everything..."

SamW98 · 12/08/2023 23:53

So what should be a nice fun evening for lesbians to chat and flirt has now been spoilt by selfish entitled men - sorry women with penises - who can’t possibly not be included in something hat has sweet fa to do with them.

Rhetorical question - does anyone think his would happen if there was a gay mens dating event? Would trans men be throwing their toys out the pram because homosexual men don’t want sex with people with vagina? Think we know the answer to that one

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Beenhereforever1978 · 12/08/2023 23:59

A friend of mine (lesbian) says "I'm not bloody transphobic, I'm not scared of them, I just don't want to have sex with them"

Which seems fair enough. But as I have learned, this is apparently not fair enough.

WeeBisom · 13/08/2023 00:01

I’m glad this is being reported because a lot of people simply refuse to believe this is happening. I attend dating events for women, and the official rules are it’s for “women with vulvas”. I can’t say I’m too jazzed about it, because it still technically allows males in. However, given that so many transwomen retain their penises it means that very very few transwomen would be able to join anyway. It still sucks that we can’t just say it’s a space for bi and lesbian women only.

Boiledbeetle · 13/08/2023 00:36

The full headline is erm very stunning and brave!

Lesbian speed dating event accused of transphobia for not allowing men
tt9 · 13/08/2023 00:40

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DiabolicalFinial · 13/08/2023 02:49

In Tasmania, Australia, lesbians are not legally allowed to hold any public events or have groups for women that do not include TW. A case went to the Anti-discrimination commission, and found that TW are W and must not be excluded.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 13/08/2023 02:58

I see your ‘transphobic’, and I raise you a ‘homophobic’.

Why is OK to be homophobic (insisting lesbians include men in their dating pool), but not OK to be transphobic?

I don’t get it.

People just have to stop caring about being called transphobic. Literally everything is transphobic these days, so it’s pretty easy.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 13/08/2023 03:01

P.S. I do get it, it’s because men are more important than women. 😔

montecarlo7 · 13/08/2023 03:53

This is bonkers

PatatiPatatras · 13/08/2023 03:56

Oh someone was denied a euphoria boner! PANIC!

PatatiPatatras · 13/08/2023 04:10

Because let's face it, dysphoria is no longer a dissatisfaction with one's body. Dysphoria is now a lack of euphoria. So keep the body and get extra euphoria. Win, win, win!
I'm honestly sorry for transmen having to share definition with these geezers.

Summerslimtime · 13/08/2023 04:26

How does transphobia trump homophobia every time? And I didn't realise that had happened in Australia. Terrifying.

femfemlicious · 13/08/2023 05:49

I'm sick of men honestly ....they feel the need to control EVERYTHING.

littleripper · 13/08/2023 05:50

I fucking love that woman's dour disapproving expression.

YouJustDoYou · 13/08/2023 06:42

Bloody good on her for saying it straight and not being afraid. These men are like so, so many other men who get a raging hard on at the thought of "turning" a lesbian with their extraordinary magical penis of wonder, then get massively offended and aggressively outraged when, shock horror, lesbians aren't turned on by their stupid man parts.

OwningAllMyMistakes · 13/08/2023 07:19

SamW98 · 12/08/2023 23:53

So what should be a nice fun evening for lesbians to chat and flirt has now been spoilt by selfish entitled men - sorry women with penises - who can’t possibly not be included in something hat has sweet fa to do with them.

Rhetorical question - does anyone think his would happen if there was a gay mens dating event? Would trans men be throwing their toys out the pram because homosexual men don’t want sex with people with vagina? Think we know the answer to that one

How do you know they have penises ? Can you tell if someone has a penis or not?
its a lot easier to tell if someone’s a bigot than it is if someone has a penis.

OwningAllMyMistakes · 13/08/2023 07:20

OwningAllMyMistakes · 13/08/2023 07:19

How do you know they have penises ? Can you tell if someone has a penis or not?
its a lot easier to tell if someone’s a bigot than it is if someone has a penis.

I would add that from little knowledge and experience I have of transmen gay men wouldn’t be put off by a trans man with a vagina.

Rightsraptor · 13/08/2023 07:23

Well, @SamW98, a gay male friend has told me that a hook-up platform he uses is no longer allowing its users to state any preference as to who they meet as it's discrimination. I believe it includes natal females in that.

beastlyslumber · 13/08/2023 07:27

OwningAllMyMistakes · 13/08/2023 07:20

I would add that from little knowledge and experience I have of transmen gay men wouldn’t be put off by a trans man with a vagina.

What are you talking about? A gay man is 100% going to be put off by a vagina! That's the whole point of being gay. Same sex attraction means being attracted to people of the same sex. Men want to fuck men. Women want to fuck women.

What planet are you living on? And is everyone there as homophobic as you?

PermanentTemporary · 13/08/2023 07:28

Almost all men have a penis so that's a straightforward starting point if the person you are talking to is male. It really isn't bigoted to have a sexuality that doesn't include male people.

Grindr interactions apparently get to how many inches each party can offer quite rapidly. I know there are gay men who will happily date transmen but I am going to go out on a limb and say it's a small minority.

What is true us that there are a lot more bisexual people around than people used to think. I'm also perhaps unusual kn MN on finding pansexual quite a useful definition, and pansexual speed dating would be fun imo. However, anyone who genuinely thinks that lesbian speed dating events should have to include males is a sad homophobe tbh.

OwningAllMyMistakes · 13/08/2023 07:31

beastlyslumber · 13/08/2023 07:27

What are you talking about? A gay man is 100% going to be put off by a vagina! That's the whole point of being gay. Same sex attraction means being attracted to people of the same sex. Men want to fuck men. Women want to fuck women.

What planet are you living on? And is everyone there as homophobic as you?

Keep feeling yourself that and you’ll think your ok but I’m not sure you are ?but I’ll be my left leg a gay man wouldn’t be put off by a transman.
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