Would you ever consider a transwoman a woman?

[ZeldaFighter]

If a person had transitioned from male to female early in life and had lived quietly and unobtrusively as a woman for say 20 or 30 years, would you consider offering that person the status of "womanhood"?

Would you go on a girls night in a group with them?

Would you think differently if the person had had gender reassignment surgery?

What if they did actually pass?

What if they had a husband and kids?

This isn't a gotcha and I don't know the answers. I am instinctively annoyed by the taking away of women's things but I am also dismayed by the hurt and harm potentially caused to trans people. I'm trying to decide my own position and wondering if there are compromise positions. Apologies if this has been asked before and thank you for your thoughts.

Not in the slightest.

My toddler often describes all meat at ‘chicken’. Me deciding that it’s not worth the possible tantrum by correcting him doesn’t mean his beef is chicken.

No.

No. They are a transwoman. Humans cannot change sex.

Oh! Now I get it. 🤦‍♀️

Oh my god

so do

thank you!

clever name…

So do i

😡

Loving SirChenjins name.

Took me ages to get nauticant as well.

are they fake when a cis girl is born with a birth defect and they use peritoneal tissue to create a neo vagina so she can have a somewhat normal life? Is she allowed at the doctors?

‘Cis’ isn’t required

Cis is offensive. Do you mean a biological girl?

I assume she will still have female reproductive organs and so a gynaecologist is required. Probably a specialist.

So a woman or girl with a vagina that is slightly different to the vagina most women have?
That would be a woman then, who has female internal organs etc.
This whataboutery is getting insane now

No. A girl XX born with a birth defect resulting in no vagina. One is created using the peritoneal pull thru technique, exactly the same as some trans vaganas are made. So, keep up here, an XX girl, with a neo vagina that is identical to a trans woman's neo vagina.

Not a popular view on this board but yes, I would consider a trans woman a woman.

Uh? You mean a female child who has corrective surgery to one of her natural reproductive organs? Of course that’s not fake, any more than (for example) reconstructive surgery after injuries in childbirth.

Everyone is allowed at the doctor’s, as far as I know. Why should they not be?

our latest TRA friend seems to not recognise that girls with DSDs are not pawns in their arguments about why biological men are women. Or how offensive this particular line of argument is.

No I mean cis.

Try using words we recognise.

TBH I think you need to keep up. Gynaes do not just deal with vaginas. They deal with reproductive organs as well. So yes they would undoubtedly need to deal with all the girl's reproductive organs.

It's not just about the cosmetic appearance of the vagina or neovagina .....which you don't seem to understand. I suppose this might be why you don't seem to get that neovaginas made out of male body parts does not a woman make.,

The misogyny always shines through from these posters.

Do you think female genitalia are just a closed tube or something? You know women have other bits and pieces in there right?

This is the operation @Squanchhouse is referring to, and it's something that was used for a congential defect for a biological woman, and was adapted for TW

http://www.trans-health.com/2019/peritoneal-pull-through-vaginoplasty-procedure/#:~:text=Definition%3A%20What%20is%20the%20peritoneal,absence%20of%20their%20vaginal%20canal.

And are not offensive

I'm getting posting style déjà vu

Yes. They're like a dog with a bone