Would you ever consider a transwoman a woman?

[ZeldaFighter]

If a person had transitioned from male to female early in life and had lived quietly and unobtrusively as a woman for say 20 or 30 years, would you consider offering that person the status of "womanhood"?

Would you go on a girls night in a group with them?

Would you think differently if the person had had gender reassignment surgery?

What if they did actually pass?

What if they had a husband and kids?

This isn't a gotcha and I don't know the answers. I am instinctively annoyed by the taking away of women's things but I am also dismayed by the hurt and harm potentially caused to trans people. I'm trying to decide my own position and wondering if there are compromise positions. Apologies if this has been asked before and thank you for your thoughts.

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No.

I know a trans woman a lovely person, gentle and doesn’t try to push into women’s spaces. She does pass from a distance, wears normal women’s clothes not like a tart or a schoolgirl. I’m very GC but I use her female name and don’t object when she uses female pronouns but I am very concerned about her MH. I do not think she is an actual woman NO.

Transwomen are transwomen. However great our friendship is (which would only be possible if they accepted that I see them as a transwoman).

I wouldn't be bothered about 'a girls night out' (not that I as such do that, I just go out for drinks with my friends. My friends are female though and I can't see a male becoming one of my best friends, but you never know).

I don't lie to people unnecessarily so I'm not going to say they 'pass' or 'are' a woman. What would that even mean?

As above, he could where what he liked and I wouldnt be fussed if they were on a girls night etc I wouldnt be rude and I'd be polite about it but the only way you become a women is from being born a girl and going through female puberty.
If I met them after the transition and they truly passed then I suppose I'd be none the wiser but I've never (knowingly) met one that passes, the ones I've seen in the wild are very obviously men often in some childish rainbow unicorn get up or skimpy sexual number.

No. Never. A woman is an adult human female, nothing more, nothing less.

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No I'd never think of them as a woman I'd think of them as a transwoman and it wouldn't stop me going on a girls night out with them or anything. I've worked with a transwoman before and they were lovely, we got on great, but they weren't under any illusions. That's the bit I can't get on board with. Doesn't mean I hate them or don't have respect for them, they're just not women...

No

They were born male and will die male.

However they dress, whatever medications and surgeries they obtain to alter their appearance to some degree, they never become women. It is impossible for human beings to change sex.

And hardly any pass - I would say none do at close quarters.

And how would they have children? By fathering children before transitioning? Which makes them fathers, not mothers. By buying babies, exploiting women? Adoption might just about be acceptable, provided they were realistic about their actual sex and psychologically stable.

No. I might be good friends with them though.

No.

No. I would never consider a trans person a real woman, because they could never be.

Quite happy to befriend them, include them etc. But not as a woman, only as a person who chooses to live as one.

No, I would consider the person to be a transsexual. Biological sex cannot be changed. A person can modify/adapt their sex to become “more like” the opposite /preferred sex, through the use of surgery, medication and the use of clothing etc etc. I would accept that such a person sincerely desires to be something different to their biological sex.

I suppose if they passed I wouldn't know would I? I haven't seen any that do pass though. Not to my knowledge anyway. And no, I'd never see them as a woman because you can't change sex, and I thinking it's incredibly cruel to pretend otherwise.

No

There is no “ status of womanhood “.

“ Gender reassignment surgery “ is an inaccurate term. It’s surgery to change someone’s breasts or genitalia . It doesn’t alter their gender or their sex.

Its also a very transphobia phrase as genderists believe that their gender is innate, so how can surgery change what is in their heart and soul ?

I could pretend to be black for 20 years and have a husband and kids. I still wouldn’t expect black people to think of me as black and ratify my beliefs. They don’t owe me anything because my self delusion has gone on for two decades.

Essentially for me, thinking about it, it might be that 'gay best friend' area. I was thinking about the friends thing. My friends are 99% female. I've got a few male straight friends but I wouldn't go out for evening drinks just me and them. The only exception I can think of has been some male gay friends. It's the lack of sexual threat. Certain transwomen might fit that category I guess. The 'gay best friend ' thing isn't the best stereotype though, hey.

No .

No, I have no problem being polite and respecting what anyone wishes to be addressed as to their face but I will never believe they are a woman anymore than I believe in god etc

No.

I dunno. They might say that but pre op transwomen are a really popular fetish on adultwork for example.
'Having a relationship with' is probably a better test than 'sleeping with'.

No, they are not women.

For healthcare: no
For sports: no
For prizes, jobs, etc meant for women: no, their struggles are not the same as womens struggles. Jobs for women are usually for women for a reason and hiring a transwoman would be at odds with that reason
For toilets: I would probably be fine, but I won't consent for others
For changing rooms: only if they had had genital removal surgery, again I won't consent for others
For hospital wards: no, see healthcare. Single room would be a solution
For prisons: no, separate wing in the mens

To pick up on the point of ‘ having a husband and kids’ ….How would a born man have acquired or produced children with a husband? ( unless you are talking about that very -insert preferred term here - marriage where the born female ‘identifies as a man’ and the born male ‘ identifies as a woman’. Pretty confusing for most people, and especially confusing for their children , but still biologically possible.

Two men, even if one of them has undergone gender confusing, sorry , confirming surgery cannot have biological children. Their children would be adopted or born as the result of surrogacy . I think most women would find that a rather distancing situation.

No.

I can imagine a lot of TW feel unhappy/pain, etc and that isn’t something I’d want any human to feel. But the answer isn’t that they’re in the wrong body, that they were born wrong. Your body is yours, it can never be wrong. I don’t think the answer to their issues is for society to encourage them that if only…. they had a woman’s body, a man was attracted to them, they could wear a dress, people thought they are a woman everything would be wonderful. Accepting their body for what it is is the way forward to happiness. Not trying to change into something they can never be. I think anyone who tells a man that he can be a woman is doing him a disservice.