Would you ever consider a transwoman a woman?

[ZeldaFighter]

If a person had transitioned from male to female early in life and had lived quietly and unobtrusively as a woman for say 20 or 30 years, would you consider offering that person the status of "womanhood"?

Would you go on a girls night in a group with them?

Would you think differently if the person had had gender reassignment surgery?

What if they did actually pass?

What if they had a husband and kids?

This isn't a gotcha and I don't know the answers. I am instinctively annoyed by the taking away of women's things but I am also dismayed by the hurt and harm potentially caused to trans people. I'm trying to decide my own position and wondering if there are compromise positions. Apologies if this has been asked before and thank you for your thoughts.

Can I say as an English teacher, I fucking hate “literally” so @hotdiggetydog whatever you believe, your grammar is awful.

And while checking back in you also proved you haven’t understood what a non de plume is. Brava/o 👏🤣

Nom even!

That's because Boiled has been identifying as me on some posts! You've been identifying as the wrong poster!

Try harder

Dunno why we are all bothering with a (silly) sausage in a bun

No. The hotdog can type. It must have a modicum of intelligence. That it cannot make sense of anything it reads or make what it types make sense is beside the point.

This has to be a semi- intelligent hotdog by its own logic. What a great universe we live in!!

You are really hard of thinking aren’t you

does it make everyday life hard?

It's true! in order to make the bigly letters appear I have to have an out of body experience!

It's very disconcerting! And the pee dance is very intricate!

Ableism as well as transphobia. What a delight.

Just screenshotting for posterity @RufustheSpeculatingreindeer

A) find what I’ve said thats transphobic

B) what have i said thats ableist?

C) you are still..very very stupid

I can only conclude that every post you’ve made here has been a joke

you can’t possibly be posting in good faith at this point

if you were genuinely this much of a doofus you wouldn’t be able to function

I should split my posts up

A) find what I’ve said thats transphobic

B) what have i said thats ableist?

C) you are still..very very stupid

thats better

Being stupid isn’t a disability. You claiming that is actually ableist.

Thats what i was thinking

Thanks boiled

ruining the good reputation ive tried to build

MNHQ? Is it really a personal attack if its true?

Ok maybe not ableist but definitely not very nice and yes indeed a personal attack, thanks for the support

There is one transwoman I consider a woman, mostly because it took me some time to realise she is trans. I don't know her very well, but I've known her slightly for a long time. She's active in the community, doing useful stuff, quite happy to be serving tea or whatever. Her current project is working on a community garden.

She transitioned in the 1990s, when she had a sex-change operation. She dresses like a "normal" woman - usually sensible shoes, jeans, a patterned top or a plain top with a scarf, jacket with a nice brooch. Maybe some eyeshadow or lipstick, but not much. In a group of women, she doesn't stand out. She loves her cats, is a talented amateur artist, votes for the Green party. Her social media posts rarely mention trans issues; I know a lot more about her cats, her arts and her politics than her gender identity.

Can a hotdog BE trans?

No One is supporting you

but yes…not nice and deffo a personal attack

my mum would be so ashamed of me 😩

actually she wouldn’t be …she always like me to tell the truth

Women are not here to enable other people's issues. They really aren't. This is not a place where behaving any way you like and saying whatever you like is always going to end with an indulgent smile and a headpat. That is not what mummies are for.

At this point, I think our reconstituted meaty friend is in fact an AI bot written by a not all that clever undergrad who used only trans reddit posts as the data for the language processing model.

Might identify as a hotcat?