Would you ever consider a transwoman a woman?

[ZeldaFighter]

If a person had transitioned from male to female early in life and had lived quietly and unobtrusively as a woman for say 20 or 30 years, would you consider offering that person the status of "womanhood"?

Would you go on a girls night in a group with them?

Would you think differently if the person had had gender reassignment surgery?

What if they did actually pass?

What if they had a husband and kids?

This isn't a gotcha and I don't know the answers. I am instinctively annoyed by the taking away of women's things but I am also dismayed by the hurt and harm potentially caused to trans people. I'm trying to decide my own position and wondering if there are compromise positions. Apologies if this has been asked before and thank you for your thoughts.

I am LITERALLY the molluscs living on the pipes in Black Books

it’s tough holding down a job when you’re composed of multiple bivalves, let me tell you

BRILLIANT.

This is literally me.

I am LITERALLY Mrs Cillian Murphy … I wish 😭

you are more fortunate than the poor lady married to Nigel Farrage

But I really am shaped like a bun.

Am I the exception that proves the rule?

Finger bun or round cob?

I was just going to ask because it depends on where you are in the country.

Do you identify as sweet or the type you stick a burger on?

I like to think sweet, but unfortunately also a bit too doughy.

Definitely not a man-bun tho'.

I am LITERALLY a search engine - ask me anything (apart from whether a man is a woman - it’s already been established that they can’t cos science)

😁

It's not a plop and run. I have been thinking deeply about this issue and I'm trying to formulate my position so I can answer questions clearly and positively. I discussed it with a colleague and was unable to answer her questions so I want help. Where exactly to draw the line of exclusion is my key issue.

Where exactly to draw the line of exclusion is my key issue

The simple truth is that anything other than biological reality is unfair on women.

Men can dress how they please but in doing so they do not have the right to impose themselves on women.

Why should the act of putting on a dress, or wearing make up (or not) give the right for the oppressor class to claim to be the oppressed and expect the whole of society to budge over to make way from the? Once one man is accepted as a woman, women are excluded. That's not equality.

My answer is NO.

@ZeldaFighter

I think you're coming at this from the wrong angle. Instead of pondering the questions you have raised in your OP, what you should be thinking deeply about it why TRAs are so insistent on NO DEBATE when it comes to TWAW.

Trans women are transwomen, and all transwomen are men. Instead of being a subset of women, trans women are actually a subset of men. This is why they do not belong in women's single sex spaces.

I would also like to say that I really appreciate all the responses. There is a range of opinions from always No to maybe sometimes/some situations that is really interesting. Thank you all very much

Checking back in and no one can disprove that JKR pretends to be a man for work.

You’re such a doofus

I know.

As if women having pen names to avoid sexism is the same thing as men pretending to be women to gain access to women only spaces, prizes and sports!

How @hotdiggetydog thinks they are proving their point is beyond me! But carry on Hotdiggety, your posts are doing the opposite of what you think.

And you haven’t proved you are an almost intelligent hotdog but not human!

we won’t hold it against you. But readers can assume as an almost intelligent hotdog, you don’t have much that is based on human reality to add.

Great piece here, describes some of the echo chamber mentality of trans activists:

r/asktransgender asks: “What do transphobes want us to do? Relocate? Detransition? Die?e?^”*

The answer is simple—and not nearly so dire: just keep your wacky, pernicious belief system to yourself. You’re free to hold any beliefs you want about sex and gender. But don’t enforce that belief system on the rest of us: don’t indoctrinate children into it. Don’t bend medicine to it. Don’t punish the people who refuse to submit to it.

But that’s not a very satisfying answer to a movement that’s going through an intensive process of self-radicalizationn^. If the trans movement is to excuse its own radicalization and violencee^, then the real beliefs and objectives of its political opponents- opponents that include lifelong feminists, tree-huggers, children’s authors, poets, worried parents, medical providers, people of faith- won't do. Instead, we must be remade in a monstrous image.

https://elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/youre-not-crazy?utmsource=substack&utmm_medium=email

Please keep posting. It shines more light on the madness.

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Oh DialSquare!

You are stunning and bravely square.
And so public!

I don’t think you can prove/disprove a negative

Literally no-one can literally disprove that JKR literally pretends to be a literal man for work!

I wanted to fo that in bigly letters so have spent hours identifying as @Boiledbeetle but summats gone wrong!!

Are you really a literally HOT DIGGETY literal DOG, hotdiggetydog?