World Athletics

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Press conference by Seb Coe stating that male to female transgender athletes who have gone through male puberty will be excluded from female competition!
At last.

On the news now, amazing news.

Yes, but it is less clearcut with some DSDs, e.g. CAIS. People with CAIS have male gonads (internally) but don't respond to testosterone normally. They have a vagina, though usually not a uterus, and they develop breasts at puberty. So is that a male or female puberty?

In some countries children with DSD are scouted and exploited by coaches and governing bodies for financial gain and the glory of gold medals. This will hopefully put an end to that practice.

My 15 year old DS, who has declared "it isn't fair," "women should just try harder" and "women aren't interested in sport anyway." It was like having a RL TRA at my kitchen table. Even DH who usually avoids the issue leapt in with a story about Chris Evert and John Lloyd. We then moved onto prisons - turns out he believes in rapistgender, which I had to point out was very transphobic of him. He also seems to believe in the n+1 argument. I no longer believe in washing his clothes so we'll see how long he keeps it up.

This is a good start but it needs to now be applied at national and grassroots levels - that's where the real problems are already apparent.

My 15 year old DS, who has declared "it isn't fair," "women should just try harder"

OK, then, but men should just try harder to gestate babies. Is it a deal? 😉

I stopped watching athletics years ago because of the policy of allowing men with DSDs compete as women. There's no interest or excitement in watching a man beat a woman.
This is great news and I will definitely start watching again!

Hopefully Michael Johnson will stop banging on about the ' supremely talented' Christine Mboma now.

Came here to say similar.

FFS....they are NOT female!! And why not no forever? They aren't FEMALE, they never will be, and that's the way it is.

It's the equivalent of a parent saying "there there, it's ok, maybe one day ok, shhhhhhh now, don't cry"

Stop the soothing and placating. It doesn't help anyone, if anything it gives them all a glimmer of hope that they can fight the decision, when what they should be doing is backing the fuck OFF women's events.

The answer is NO, thank goodness.

Its very un PC of me but I would have given DS a Gibbs* slap if he'd said that in front of me.

(Early days of NCIS)

You have my utter condolences.

However, I must ask.

What the hell is the n+1 argument?

Everything I looked up seemed to be about system redundancy...

I love the response up thread that men should just try harder to have babies.

Already the misleading headlines and Stonewall tweet - they are not banned, they just have to compete in the correct sex category.

Yay 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽👌 I almost gave up watching athletics when you know it’s dudes running.

and the commentators having to say. Oh how talented

n+1 is the answer to how many women have to suffer / be affected before change happens.

So it goes from "it never happens" to "it is so rare it is irrelevant" There will never be a limit to how many women get hurt, it is always nearly there, but not quite.

Excellent news. Massive thank you and congratulations to all the athletes who have been campaigning so hard on this

The n+1 thing comes from "it'll never happen" then when the thing does happen "it was just once." It's always the next time that matters.

I gave him many examples including Isla Bryson, Karen White, Emily Bridges, Lia Thomas, Barbie Kardashian - which was "too specific" because obviously it's easier to deal in generality and be kindness, than actual fact and fairness 🙄

Oh, thank you, that makes perfect sense bloody depressing argument

I couldn't work out how system redundancy linked to transgender male athletes in female competitions!

Yes I think for athletes with DSD the rules should at least be specific to their particular condition.

Absolutely.

Fabulous news.

The trouble is this is the wedge used to 'include' males in female sport. Which is rather like 'including' motorbikes in horse races.

Female sport is going to have to be for the 99.9% of females who are unambiguously biologically female.

There will now need to be conversations about what additional and alternative categories may be required.

Nevertheless I do wonder if this will be a new battleground - what is meant by male puberty? How late can you leave it to take PBs for a short while and still 'count' as not having gone through male puberty?

Good news, but it should apply to all levels of competition.