World Athletics

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Press conference by Seb Coe stating that male to female transgender athletes who have gone through male puberty will be excluded from female competition!
At last.

Saw this on the news just now. AT LONG LAST SOMEONE IS LISTENING

If they've been taking testosterone they absolutely shouldn't.

I'm very, very pleased about this. Hopefully other sports that are being ... reticent, shall we say, will pay attention.

Agree about bringing it in at all levels.

We march on.

And aye @Pixiedust1234 - I think I’d be itching to be going a bit Gibbs if someone came out with a “waaaaaaaaaaaah - it isn’t fair” in my earshot.

No ‘it isn’t faaaaaaaaair’ when women were losing their places and medals to biological males. Funny that.

There does seem to be some evidence that males who take PBs can end up taller than if they didn't. I don't think it's entirely safe to assume males who didn't go through puberty will be unable to compete in sports internationally, but it's a smaller problem and one for another day.

Yeah, I'm not saying that no male who had had PBs/hormones would ever have an advantage over females, just that it's unlikely that anyone is going to start a male on treatment in the hope of athletic advantage.

BBC now writes about transgender "women" not "female" athletes - small victories.

So, who will be coincidentally 'retiring' from athletics now?

I have theories.

I think it should apply at all levels. Scottish orienteering ( or maybe British I forget the details as in both) recently had a questionnaire about trans athletes. I said it should be birth sex all I he way through as teenage girls often opt out of competitive sport anyway and if they are being beaten by males in local and regional competitions ( orienteering classes are based on age and gender ( used to be sex)) then girls will just give up before they get to elite level. We never got to see the results of the questionnaire and they said they were waiting to see what the international orienteering federation decided. Wimps. I bet most people were opposed to males in the women's categories at all ages

The rate at which future superstars can be identified at an early age is usually pretty low. Often those that stand out at an early age are over taken later. Even with all the money and resources poured into identifying footballing talent national school boy age teams/academies have a pretty high drop it rate. Injury, lack of dedication and that fact the early bloomers are often just that, kids who reach a peak before their peers, and are not necessarily destined for greatness would make it a huge gamble to go down the gender reassignment route before puberty has kicked in (and hopefully something that will be impossible to access any way).

The ban is on athletes who have undergone male puberty competing in female events.

At long last a victory for common sense and women in sport.

We know but in what world do they count as female? The head line has been altered.

Absolutely crucial to keep the two issues separate. Almost nobody with a trans identity has a DSD. I started a thread about this article yesterday. I found it very clear on this point. https://www.city-journal.org/understanding-the-sex-binary

I haven't seen the details, but FINA specified Tanner stage 2 when they introduced similar rules for aquatic sports.

There is a great deal of relief in my household this evening.

I'm hoping that the issue of, "But what about males who have had puberty blockers?" will become obsolete as the safeguarding net closes in on agencies providing these drugs to children. But that's a different battle.

Also pleased that the testosterone lowering requirement in athletes with male DSDs has been extended to all race distances.

Sorry I was being sarcastic as the way the BBC worded it was wrong. It made it sound like it was trans men by the clunky, incorrect language . They have actually changed it now (!) so it makes sense, to ‘World Athletics bans transgender women from competing in female world ranking events’

I think the Cass report has drastically reduced puberty blocker prescribing in most of the UK and agree that males who have puberty blockers were never that interested in getting women's sporting medals anyway being brainwashed by feminine glittery floaty dressy crap anyway. The males who changed from men's to women's sports after a male puberty were pot hunters

Well those big hairy laydees are going to be stamping their size 10 stilettos and boo hooing into their beer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001k7qr

Listen to Sharon Davies, the former swimmer, make a brilliant case for female athletes about 25 mins into the programme. In essence, it's about safety first, fairness and then inclusion.

What fantastic news to wake up to.

So many positive posts about this on my social media about this.

People have finally started to wake up to this nonsense and are pushing back.

No problem, soxx - the BBC are shockers for badly wording things and then quietly changing headlines/articles without any acknowledgement.

Yes, an open category would be the best solution but that's not what's being proposed. I just listened to the press conference and Coe said they have considered an open category but don't currently plan to have one.

Instead, the rules for athletes with a DSD continue to be based on testosterone levels maintained for a period of time.

Fair play to Seb Coe and his team. It takes a lot to stand up and say no

Just catching up with thread.

• Anyone who feels sorry for Caster Semenya is a fool. The sympathy narrative is to distract from the fact an adult male was allowed to compete against women for a decade taking medals, prize money and success from those women.

• this is a start but not good enough. It should be all males, regardless of reason, from all women’s and girls’ competitions, at all levels.

• I am not worried about more kids being put on puberty blockers for this reason. Kids who are good at sport or into athletics are a lot more grounded and healthier so less likely to fall down the gender rabbit hole. And no male who has been puberty blocked and put on oestrogen will get anywhere near sport at any competitive level because their bodies are a mess.