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What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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andarounditgoesagain · 20/03/2023 09:54

Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

twitter.com/Fair_Maiden1/status/1637529465126285312

She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 18:03

Insecticide · 20/03/2023 17:36

I’m not a free speech absolutist, though, so that argument doesn’t do anything for me. And this isn’t the USA (or at least, it isn’t for me, UK based).

I can’t imagine being fine with racism, ever, handwaving or shrugging away the relevance of racism “oh well, racists gonna racist, what can you do?” style is just beyond my realm of comprehension. I don’t have the luxury of ignoring racism. So I’m not fine with allying with Carl Benjamin, as one example.

I’m interested in posters’ perspectives on women’s rights to determine their own boundaries and to state those; and especially those of you who are free speech absolutists. Those of us whose boundary is very far away from cuddling Carl Benjamin have a right, surely, to say that we don’t like it and that it makes us want to distance ourselves from someone we used to support? Surely? And surely we are allowed to participate in discussion about that? And surely we are allowed to be unhappy and uncomfortable with other women telling us, effectively, put up or shut up?

Fuck cuddling up to Carl Benjamin! Boak 🤢

Free speech isn’t an American issue. Anyone who has spent more than half a second in the British terf wars should realise how fundamental it is to be able to speak, even when you are in the out group de jour.

bellinisurge · 20/03/2023 18:04

I'm in two minds about her but she is getting out there and raising awareness. I would personally like her to repeat several times that Nazis aren't welcome. I understand that it's not her job to apologise for men's behaviour but the optics aren't great when those fuckers turn up. Lazy captured media circulate photographs of Nazis not middle aged women setting out their experiences and fears.
But that's a call she's making and if I think I'm so brilliant why aren't I out there organising women's rights campaigns.

Datun · 20/03/2023 18:09

suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 17:44

You don't get it either? I thought you supported Posie Parker?...

...So why are you supporting someone you don't understand?!

Isn't it a bit concerning to support someone whose words you don't understand?

I'm sorry you are hoping for me to explain her words to you, maybe ask her directly?

Crikey, you're still not happy to explain your own post? 😁 You know what, I could be here all the live long day, and I guarantee you still won't explain.

Cone on suggestions, use your words, about your post.

Jonei · 20/03/2023 18:12

I'm sorry you are hoping for me to explain her words to you, maybe ask her directly?

That's weird. You're using this as some kind of evidence for KJK being a bad person, but you're unable to dig down and describe, in your own words, what you think she means? If you want people to understand what your point is, maybe you could be a little more academic about it?

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 18:20

suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 17:32

I don't need to explain what she's saying, she's perfectly capable of speaking for herself, as I am sure you will agree.

Ok.

Hey readers, here is the fuller transcript of what she said.
_

I am so sick of it.

When teachers are in front of those classrooms and they are obliterating the safeguarding of girls, I personally think that they are a safeguarding risk. I think they should be held to account. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how long you have been teaching, I don’t care if it is the only way that you keep a roof over your head. It is only by your cowardice that this continues.

It is only by the cowardice of women in the police force, who damn well know that their superiors are autogynophiles, it is only by their cowardice that this continues.

If we all stood up and we pointed at the emperor’s penis, it would stop.
So many women are just too afraid, like come on!

What is it going to take? How many buckets of breast tissue do you need to see? How many girls do you need to know? How many girls do you need to know that they can no longer talk about what is unsafe? And what makes them feel unsafe because they are too afraid that they are going to be called unkind?

How many girls? A whole generation? Is that enough for you? Entire groups of children at university ?

Is that enough for you?

Does it have to be your own daughter before you will stand up and defend somebody? And even then, do you ?

Men, pretty bad. Right? Men, pretty bad. Unless a steaming pile of excrement is under their nose, they don’t smell it. But we women, we don’t smell it, we don’t taste it, we feel it. With every fibre of our bodies we feel it. We know it.
We remember it.

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable.

And now suddenly they are rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

I am so sick and tired of the police now trying to persecute me, trying to catch me out, trying to charge me with a crime. Offer me a caution. For speaking about this stuff. And look. Look, I am a pretty strong woman. This takes up far too much of my god damn time.

I am so annoyed.

It is a woman doing it. Men don’t have to march upon our necks, they don’t have to put their hands around our throats, they get women to do it. And if women aren’t doing it directly, they are strangling us in other ways.

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

Each and every one of you, let me just tell you, You will be annihilated. So if you want to stand in my way, be ready, ready, ready to watch the back of my arse as I walk away from you. As I walk ahead of you. You are eclipsed. Every single last one of you.

With some context I think we can see that she is certainly angry that women and girls are being inadequately safeguarded. She is saying that she thinks people who are supposed to be safeguarding and protecting women and girls are failing at their jobs.

She talks about how in the past, some ( and by the way, unless you are determined to make a very bad faith leap of interpretation here it is not 'all') males with sexual fetishes that exposed themselves to girls and women and other sexual acts, were recognised as 'creepy'. But now, those offenders are being enabled, and are very much getting harder for children and women to label as 'creepy' because children and women are having their sexual boundaries lowered.

She is obviously very upset that she has to deal with the police for something she still has not talked about.

And she is angry at a group of feminists who are trying to bully her into silence. For not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’.

And anniliated here certainly would have to be a very bad faith take to be read as physical destruction. She is talking about leaving them behind and forging ahead. So, quite clearly a literary device of hyperbole. Like we see used on this board very often.

Funny how some posters who use it probably will not recognise it.

I think it looks a bit different when the context is added back in, but I know that others will disagree.

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 18:21

And yes. I did just type this up from the YouTube video. It is the second one I have done today.

Jonei · 20/03/2023 18:26

Thank you for taking time to type that out and put it into context Helleofabore. The bigger picture completely changes the story. I can only assume with all this hate for KJK, (and the miserable attempts to slur her name) is that the ideologists are actually afraid of this powerful woman.

Good.

beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 18:29

Waiting for the evidence to turn up...

Having your picture taken with Carl Benjamin doesn't really count. Unless of course we invoke the first rule of misogyny, and say KJK made Carl Benjamin say whatever knobbish thing he said.

As a pp pointed out, no one has a go at Bindel for being best mates with Milo. Why the double standard?

Baldieheid · 20/03/2023 18:36

Jonei · 20/03/2023 18:26

Thank you for taking time to type that out and put it into context Helleofabore. The bigger picture completely changes the story. I can only assume with all this hate for KJK, (and the miserable attempts to slur her name) is that the ideologists are actually afraid of this powerful woman.

Good.

Seconded.

Jesus effing christ, who are you women who think that it's more important to speak only to the "right" people (who died and became God to decide who the he'll they are??) than to actually DO SOMETHING USEFUL to help children and women?????

ILikeDungs · 20/03/2023 18:39

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

How apt for this thread.

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 18:39

ILikeDungs · 20/03/2023 18:39

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

How apt for this thread.

I did think that as I typed it IlikeDungs, very apt and very appropriate.

Hepwo · 20/03/2023 18:43

SapphosRock · 20/03/2023 13:45

You are brave OP. I think we should be able to discuss controversy surrounding KJK but most posters on here are firmly no debate.

There's lots of people here debating!

What OP wants is agreement that everyone she doesn't like is a Nazi.

People are debating that!

These are like comedy threads aren't they, the usual faces line up to roll out their bad jokes. Like a desperate version of Have Got News For You, with some pathetic DMs by a couple of non descript bitches.

There is nothing to debate other than how many more episodes of Have I Got A Nazi For You we think people will post.

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2023 18:46

beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 18:29

Waiting for the evidence to turn up...

Having your picture taken with Carl Benjamin doesn't really count. Unless of course we invoke the first rule of misogyny, and say KJK made Carl Benjamin say whatever knobbish thing he said.

As a pp pointed out, no one has a go at Bindel for being best mates with Milo. Why the double standard?

On My Way Goodbye GIF by Bubble Punk

I, as a requirement of my job, once had to be photographed with a particularly loathsome Conservative MP.

I still have nightmares about it.

If i was in the public eye I'm sure someone would love rubbing my Labour nose in that photo on a frequent basis.

I'm finding the evidence on this thread so far as to the heinous nature of KJKs crimes, as usual, rather lacking in substance.

TinselAngel · 20/03/2023 18:48

These are like comedy threads aren't they, the usual faces line up to roll out their bad jokes.
👀

Datun · 20/03/2023 18:51

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 18:20

Ok.

Hey readers, here is the fuller transcript of what she said.
_

I am so sick of it.

When teachers are in front of those classrooms and they are obliterating the safeguarding of girls, I personally think that they are a safeguarding risk. I think they should be held to account. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how long you have been teaching, I don’t care if it is the only way that you keep a roof over your head. It is only by your cowardice that this continues.

It is only by the cowardice of women in the police force, who damn well know that their superiors are autogynophiles, it is only by their cowardice that this continues.

If we all stood up and we pointed at the emperor’s penis, it would stop.
So many women are just too afraid, like come on!

What is it going to take? How many buckets of breast tissue do you need to see? How many girls do you need to know? How many girls do you need to know that they can no longer talk about what is unsafe? And what makes them feel unsafe because they are too afraid that they are going to be called unkind?

How many girls? A whole generation? Is that enough for you? Entire groups of children at university ?

Is that enough for you?

Does it have to be your own daughter before you will stand up and defend somebody? And even then, do you ?

Men, pretty bad. Right? Men, pretty bad. Unless a steaming pile of excrement is under their nose, they don’t smell it. But we women, we don’t smell it, we don’t taste it, we feel it. With every fibre of our bodies we feel it. We know it.
We remember it.

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable.

And now suddenly they are rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

I am so sick and tired of the police now trying to persecute me, trying to catch me out, trying to charge me with a crime. Offer me a caution. For speaking about this stuff. And look. Look, I am a pretty strong woman. This takes up far too much of my god damn time.

I am so annoyed.

It is a woman doing it. Men don’t have to march upon our necks, they don’t have to put their hands around our throats, they get women to do it. And if women aren’t doing it directly, they are strangling us in other ways.

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

Each and every one of you, let me just tell you, You will be annihilated. So if you want to stand in my way, be ready, ready, ready to watch the back of my arse as I walk away from you. As I walk ahead of you. You are eclipsed. Every single last one of you.

With some context I think we can see that she is certainly angry that women and girls are being inadequately safeguarded. She is saying that she thinks people who are supposed to be safeguarding and protecting women and girls are failing at their jobs.

She talks about how in the past, some ( and by the way, unless you are determined to make a very bad faith leap of interpretation here it is not 'all') males with sexual fetishes that exposed themselves to girls and women and other sexual acts, were recognised as 'creepy'. But now, those offenders are being enabled, and are very much getting harder for children and women to label as 'creepy' because children and women are having their sexual boundaries lowered.

She is obviously very upset that she has to deal with the police for something she still has not talked about.

And she is angry at a group of feminists who are trying to bully her into silence. For not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’.

And anniliated here certainly would have to be a very bad faith take to be read as physical destruction. She is talking about leaving them behind and forging ahead. So, quite clearly a literary device of hyperbole. Like we see used on this board very often.

Funny how some posters who use it probably will not recognise it.

I think it looks a bit different when the context is added back in, but I know that others will disagree.

No way!! 🤣🤣🤣

suggestions picked up the word annihilate from that entire speech!! You're kidding.

I honestly did not know what they were talking about. I thought it was them skimming over the fetishists and AGP part.

suggestionsplease1 haha!! You are <snort>, honestly try to convince the women hear that KJK wants to kill other women??

For fuck's sake, mate. Get a fucking grip.

Look, when you try this seriously about something soooo stupid...

...words, uncharacteristically, fail me.

Datun · 20/03/2023 18:52

*here (spelling, obviously does fail me)

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 18:52

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2023 18:46

I, as a requirement of my job, once had to be photographed with a particularly loathsome Conservative MP.

I still have nightmares about it.

If i was in the public eye I'm sure someone would love rubbing my Labour nose in that photo on a frequent basis.

I'm finding the evidence on this thread so far as to the heinous nature of KJKs crimes, as usual, rather lacking in substance.

I once stood next to the Right Odious Graham Brady MP, Chair of the 1922 Committee.

Didn’t catch Conservative Cooties from him.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 20/03/2023 18:56

🔔 🦵 🛎

nilsmousehammer · 20/03/2023 18:57

Thanks for the transcript, very helpful.

I'm still looking for the fascist bit .

Ourladycheesusedatum · 20/03/2023 19:10

andarounditgoesagain · 20/03/2023 13:03

You aren't aware that many will do anything for fame?

Also, look up narcissism. I don't know KJK well enough to know if she's a narc, but I have my suspicions as a lot of her behaviour falls into that pattern. Calling critics "jealous" is a huge red flag on that score, for a start.

Non of this has anything to do with
WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR FEMINISM

I've asked a lot of times now with no reply.

So yet again, what is it you do to protect women and children, safeguarding, single sex spaces,sports etc etc.

Insecticide · 20/03/2023 19:19

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/03/2023 17:56

I mean I’m gonna say it again

I don’t like Posie much

but I dislike some internet random trying to tell me what to do even less

tell me what you think, and what you’re going to do

you do you

I’ve gone through my posts and can’t find anything that would be easily mistaken for telling anyone what to do. I wonder if this misrepresentation might prove my point though, that nobody wants to discuss the fact that many of us have become distanced from KJK and indeed even FWR in no small part because of the willingness to ignore and handwave away values that are antithetical to our moral codes.

This is what I think: I think that males must be kept out of female spaces. I think the law needs to be reinforced to ensure that’s never in doubt. Being mindful of the rules here, I personally think that it’s likely a significant number of trans people are appropriating their stereotyped version womanhood to breach boundaries that are crucial to safety for women and children. I think that lots of very vulnerable girls and young women have been confused into having radical and irreversible surgeries that they should never have been even on the pathway to having, never mind getting to the operating table. And also I think racism is abhorrent to the point I’d cut ties with my own mam if she chose to spend time with racists. I wouldn’t be able to handwave it away. I’m interested in where my moral code differs from people here who will/do. “Well, some racists have an audience, so they’re okay to get a message out” isn’t a convincing case to me.

As for what I do, I’m doing it, I’m changing my own workplace, I’m changing some of things my local council does. (Please do forgive me if I’m not comfortable sharing the detail here - real-life GCing is accompanied by some risk, after all.)

nepeta · 20/03/2023 19:21

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 18:20

Ok.

Hey readers, here is the fuller transcript of what she said.
_

I am so sick of it.

When teachers are in front of those classrooms and they are obliterating the safeguarding of girls, I personally think that they are a safeguarding risk. I think they should be held to account. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how long you have been teaching, I don’t care if it is the only way that you keep a roof over your head. It is only by your cowardice that this continues.

It is only by the cowardice of women in the police force, who damn well know that their superiors are autogynophiles, it is only by their cowardice that this continues.

If we all stood up and we pointed at the emperor’s penis, it would stop.
So many women are just too afraid, like come on!

What is it going to take? How many buckets of breast tissue do you need to see? How many girls do you need to know? How many girls do you need to know that they can no longer talk about what is unsafe? And what makes them feel unsafe because they are too afraid that they are going to be called unkind?

How many girls? A whole generation? Is that enough for you? Entire groups of children at university ?

Is that enough for you?

Does it have to be your own daughter before you will stand up and defend somebody? And even then, do you ?

Men, pretty bad. Right? Men, pretty bad. Unless a steaming pile of excrement is under their nose, they don’t smell it. But we women, we don’t smell it, we don’t taste it, we feel it. With every fibre of our bodies we feel it. We know it.
We remember it.

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable.

And now suddenly they are rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

I am so sick and tired of the police now trying to persecute me, trying to catch me out, trying to charge me with a crime. Offer me a caution. For speaking about this stuff. And look. Look, I am a pretty strong woman. This takes up far too much of my god damn time.

I am so annoyed.

It is a woman doing it. Men don’t have to march upon our necks, they don’t have to put their hands around our throats, they get women to do it. And if women aren’t doing it directly, they are strangling us in other ways.

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

Each and every one of you, let me just tell you, You will be annihilated. So if you want to stand in my way, be ready, ready, ready to watch the back of my arse as I walk away from you. As I walk ahead of you. You are eclipsed. Every single last one of you.

With some context I think we can see that she is certainly angry that women and girls are being inadequately safeguarded. She is saying that she thinks people who are supposed to be safeguarding and protecting women and girls are failing at their jobs.

She talks about how in the past, some ( and by the way, unless you are determined to make a very bad faith leap of interpretation here it is not 'all') males with sexual fetishes that exposed themselves to girls and women and other sexual acts, were recognised as 'creepy'. But now, those offenders are being enabled, and are very much getting harder for children and women to label as 'creepy' because children and women are having their sexual boundaries lowered.

She is obviously very upset that she has to deal with the police for something she still has not talked about.

And she is angry at a group of feminists who are trying to bully her into silence. For not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’.

And anniliated here certainly would have to be a very bad faith take to be read as physical destruction. She is talking about leaving them behind and forging ahead. So, quite clearly a literary device of hyperbole. Like we see used on this board very often.

Funny how some posters who use it probably will not recognise it.

I think it looks a bit different when the context is added back in, but I know that others will disagree.

Later she also mentions women, autogynophiles and the police together (with it being clear that she refers to the women who she sees as working against women as a sex class) and says that all these groups may not be used to losing but lose they will, against her.

So 'annihilating' is clearly a very strong way of saying the same thing, as this and her reference to some being left behind when she moves on.

Like her style or not, she is certainly not advocating the killing of some women.

suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 19:23

Jonei · 20/03/2023 18:12

I'm sorry you are hoping for me to explain her words to you, maybe ask her directly?

That's weird. You're using this as some kind of evidence for KJK being a bad person, but you're unable to dig down and describe, in your own words, what you think she means? If you want people to understand what your point is, maybe you could be a little more academic about it?

If people can not discern the problems themselves with that straightforward, simple language, verbatim Posie Parker quote, no amount of academic explanation will illuminate them.

She says it more clearly than anyone else, and FWR posters frequently cite this as part of her appeal.

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 19:23

Clearly, she's advocating putting them in a giant blender. It's a credible death threat, and the police should be called.

Similarly, because all of us bitch vipers have STILL not condemned Attila the Hun and begged for the redemption of our mortal souls we are clearly on the side of the devil and should be burned at the stake.

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 19:24

If people can not discern the problems themselves with that straightforward, simple language, verbatim Posie Parker quote, no amount of academic explanation will illuminate them.

😂

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