What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

twitter.com/Fair_Maiden1/status/1637529465126285312

She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

Sorry, I didn’t think about those who don't have time to click through and read the Sky News link in my previous post … him having stood for UKIP is really the least of my concerns. As it’s probably easier for posters to read here than click on a news article, I will copy a few of the relevant bits, although I find it really foul, seeing as it’s full on racism.

The below is quoted from the news article with no changes made by me:

he calls a disabled person a "retard" and an Asian person a "chink" … An Asian woman says it is not acceptable to call people "chink". Mr Benjamin replies: "You lose! It's actually fine. It's actually just f fine and I'll tell you why. Because Asians are privileged." He adds: "So f* off, chink, it's okay for me to call you this because racism is power plus prejudice." … He added: "Personally, I find racist jokes funny."

You couldn’t pay me enough to cosy up to this man, not least because doing so is a huge red flag to many of us not already on the right-wing racist side of things. It’s not about ideological purity, it’s about having standards and boundaries and choosing those for ourselves.

I’m not interested in defending Carl Benjamin but you do know a) CB isn’t a feminist and b) that a crap, tasteless, sexist attempt at a joke isn’t a criminal offence.

And you’ve misquoted his tweet, btw:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/07/police-investigating-ukip-candidate-youtube-carl-benjamin-jess-phillips-comments

And Milo has also said some terrible shit to women but Julie Bindel wasn’t denounced for working with Milo (as in, actually touring together, not just turning up at the same place). Why such different standards for KJK than JB?

If all the people posting unfounded accusations about and criticisms of KJK actually went and did some real things in the real world for women's and children's rights (a safeguarding course, perhaps because a lot of them don't seem to get safeguarding) then there would - ironically - be a lot less need for her events.

toxic hot airbed?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3444548-Vice-how-an-online-forum-for-moms-became-a-toxic-hotbed-of-transphobia?flipped=1

Oh WE are the toxic hot-air bed! I see.

Well, we know that already.

We're the absolute worst. Still don't know what all these people who can't stand us bigotty viperish bastards are doing on here wringing their hands over our unsalvageable souls, day after day.

Free speech includes free speech for people making racist jokes.

Shitty, I know.
Uncomfortable, for sure.

But that’s why the ACLU marched for the KKK in the 1960s so it’s not exactly a new concept.

So again I'm asking, what is it you do for feminism/women/children/safeguarding/single sex spaces/letting women speak?

Anything at all? See I want you to become the face of this, then we get to say this stuff about you, see if your ok with that. Well you'd have no choice but to be ok with it. But you know what I mean.

Just after our money for their crowdfunders?

Take us through this suggestions. What is it that you think she is saying?

I don't personally like everyone that people I do like speak to.

But as an adult, that's not for me to decide.

This ideology really brings out the demanding authoritarian tosspots who demand purity at all costs and people need to grow up and stop slagging people off in places where they cannot respond. It is cowardly, two-faced and bitchy.

Risking their own pure souls just by being in such close proximity to the toxic hot-air bed, presumably?

I don't need to explain what she's saying, she's perfectly capable of speaking for herself, as I am sure you will agree.

Oh dear. I don't think I can be buggered. More important things to worry about really.

Presumably its toxic hot air dogwhistles Helleofabore.

Like this:

'Whenever I point out that JK Rowling is an evil transphobe, her defenders always ask for “evidence”.

But Rowling’s tactic is to not attack trans people in order to make it look as though she is not attacking trans people.

It’s the oldest trick in the book.'

twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1627042914613305344?cxt=HHwWgIC9_aG6tZQtAAAA

Considering no one's remotely bothered by the death and rape threats and the cosying up to pedophilia, I'll wait until there's a bit of equality before I start policing women for not talking nicely enough.

I’m not a free speech absolutist, though, so that argument doesn’t do anything for me. And this isn’t the USA (or at least, it isn’t for me, UK based).

I can’t imagine being fine with racism, ever, handwaving or shrugging away the relevance of racism “oh well, racists gonna racist, what can you do?” style is just beyond my realm of comprehension. I don’t have the luxury of ignoring racism. So I’m not fine with allying with Carl Benjamin, as one example.

I’m interested in posters’ perspectives on women’s rights to determine their own boundaries and to state those; and especially those of you who are free speech absolutists. Those of us whose boundary is very far away from cuddling Carl Benjamin have a right, surely, to say that we don’t like it and that it makes us want to distance ourselves from someone we used to support? Surely? And surely we are allowed to participate in discussion about that? And surely we are allowed to be unhappy and uncomfortable with other women telling us, effectively, put up or shut up?

Yeah, I don't get it, either. And suggestions isn't any too happy to explain it, either.

And, sigh, in terms of the latest spurious nonsense

“I promote women’s voices, without distraction, because contrary to popular belief women are enough,” Keen said on Twitter while sharing one of the speeches from a woman at her rally which went viral.

Speaking with NZ Herald, Keen stated, “They’re absolutely not associated with me whatsoever. I absolutely abhor anything to do with Nazis. It’s preposterous they even exist in 2023.”

Indeed.

You don't get it either? I thought you supported Posie Parker?...

...So why are you supporting someone you don't understand?!

Isn't it a bit concerning to support someone whose words you don't understand?

I'm sorry you are hoping for me to explain her words to you, maybe ask her directly?

'Support'?

What does 'support' mean in this context?

We got as far as the explanation that the middle ground involved making yourself think KJK is problematic. (Whatever that word means).

'support' here just means refusing to engage in conversations about when you stopped beating your wife.

The story goes that if you don't recite the catechism, you are basically guilty of everything anyone chooses to accuse you of.

No one is asking you to cuddle up to Carl Benjamin

in fact I explicitly forbid you from doing it

do you feel better now?

Now, what was it you wanted to forbid women from doing?

I mean I’m gonna say it again

I don’t like Posie much

but I dislike some internet random trying to tell me what to do even less

tell me what you think, and what you’re going to do

you do you