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What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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andarounditgoesagain · 20/03/2023 09:54

Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

twitter.com/Fair_Maiden1/status/1637529465126285312

She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

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nilsmousehammer · 20/03/2023 16:31

SapphosRock · 20/03/2023 16:22

It's just too depressing to see all the excuses for KJK's merry dance into the far right, and mind boggling that people don't seem to understand that getting into bed with the far right is both inherently a bad idea, plus a terrible campaign strategy. I feel politically homeless from both party politics and from Mumsnet. It's a depressing place to be. I wish KJK was the fearless warrior for women 's rights she claims to be, but she isn't, and you lot just don't want to know. it's a mess.

There are lots of women's rights campaigns and events that don't have anything to do with KJK. Women's Place UK, FiLia, the Lesbian Project. Local feminist orgs.

SFW definitely isn't the only way to do women's rights activism, although I know it can seem like it on here.

I see I'm a naughty, bad woman who's feministing all wrong again.

Honestly if you think this place is a dead loss full of stupid women with stupid beliefs and behaviours I wonder that you bother to continue posting here.

Datun · 20/03/2023 16:32

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 16:21

Gobby feminist atheists who travel internationally, leaving their husbands at home with the kids?

Yep, it doesn't get more representative of the American religious right !

TinselAngel · 20/03/2023 16:34

SapphosRock · 20/03/2023 16:22

It's just too depressing to see all the excuses for KJK's merry dance into the far right, and mind boggling that people don't seem to understand that getting into bed with the far right is both inherently a bad idea, plus a terrible campaign strategy. I feel politically homeless from both party politics and from Mumsnet. It's a depressing place to be. I wish KJK was the fearless warrior for women 's rights she claims to be, but she isn't, and you lot just don't want to know. it's a mess.

There are lots of women's rights campaigns and events that don't have anything to do with KJK. Women's Place UK, FiLia, the Lesbian Project. Local feminist orgs.

SFW definitely isn't the only way to do women's rights activism, although I know it can seem like it on here.

There's no bloody wonder it might seem like that on here given you and mates queue up to start derogatory KJK bashing threads and then say it's all we talk about.

TinselAngel · 20/03/2023 16:35

Honestly if you think this place is a dead loss full of stupid women with stupid beliefs and behaviours I wonder that you bother to continue posting here.
We remain bafflingly resistant to Sappho's attempts to educate us.

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 16:42

andarounditgoesagain · 20/03/2023 15:41

No, first I've heard that one.

There are quite a few of us who have concerns about KJK. It's fair to say that many of us don't post here often, any more, though.

It's just too depressing to see all the excuses for KJK's merry dance into the far right, and mind boggling that people don't seem to understand that getting into bed with the far right is both inherently a bad idea, plus a terrible campaign strategy.

I feel politically homeless from both party politics and from Mumsnet. It's a depressing place to be. I wish KJK was the fearless warrior for women 's rights she claims to be, but she isn't, and you lot just don't want to know. it's a mess.

"I feel politically homeless from both party politics and from Mumsnet. It's a depressing place to be. I wish KJK was the fearless warrior for women 's rights she claims to be, but she isn't, and you lot just don't want to know. it's a mess."

I obviously have some significant cultural differences with quite a few posters on MN.

I have never wanted a 'political home' and I have quite a few friends who are the same. We do our research on the party or individual with the manifesto that we prefer and vote accordingly. I always assumed it was normal until I moved to the UK. No matter. But I can't be arsed too much with this 'I am politically homeless' bullshit. (Sorry everyone)

And who the cares whether you politically 'align' with the rest of fucking Mumsnet. Good grief. It is a website on the internet full of randoms stating their opinion ( and on this board at least, expecting that opinion to be supported with some credible evidence if it is so strongly stated as you have done.)

If it is depressing then don't keep doing it. Seriously. Why would you continue with something that depresses you or causes you anxiety? Go forth and do your own thing and enjoy your life.

KJK has made no promises that anyone should take seriously. She might say she never loses, but I consider that to be a bolstering call to action rather than gospel.

Us 'lot'? This perpetuates an 'us' and 'them' mentality that seems to be in your mind because you want to be part of a political group, a political movement maybe? and have a website fill a emotional need in you. But it dehumanises people. I am not sure that you understand that.

We are not a 'lot'. We are all individuals and some of us share some views on some topics while disagreeing on others. That is what adults do. Surely you don't expect random people on the internet to read something you wrote and agree with you?

No. The mess is caused by a group of feminists who have targeted a woman who has been doing her own thing, but they don't agree. It has crossed into bullying, complete with a sin page on a feminist website, and that has been noted.

Women who do not agree with you, but recognise Kellie Jay Keen's strengths and her weaknesses choose to support her regardless of what you and the bullying feminists want us to do. As I have said, I have combed a great deal of the 'evidence' and I know others have to. As many are saying on this thread, we know what she has said! We choose to not take a bad faith interpretation or to understand that we will not agree with what she says all the time.

Just like Julie Bindel. I think she says stuff that I find fucked up. But women need all these voices and we also need to make these choices on what we support from people and move on.

But you, OP, seem to be the one who expects to 'belong' to a political party and a website. Despite you telling us that is how you see us.

And I call that projection.

Coyoacan · 20/03/2023 16:46

There's no bloody wonder it might seem like that on here given you and mates queue up to start derogatory KJK bashing threads and then say it's all we talk about

Indeed, I can go weeks at a time without thinking about Posie until the next poster comes on here with some ridiculous slander and claiming that we are all mindless sheep following her.

But I do greatly appreciate her campaigns

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 16:46

Aye, tribalism, int'it. Great post, Helleofabore.

Righthandcider · 20/03/2023 16:49

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/03/2023 15:25

I still don’t understand why far right men mightn’t catch feminism from turning up at a women’s meeting rather than women catching nazism from them

is it ‘cos of our weak minds?

Yes Bernard, it's because our minds are tiny and soft like Playdoh. We are so easily influenced by charismatic leaders and move as one to blindly worship them.

The same can't happen to the far-right men, because although they are very bad, they are male (the real kind) and therefore cannot be hypnotised. However, although we have no influence on them it is most definitely our fault if they agree with us on anything.

nilsmousehammer · 20/03/2023 16:51

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 16:46

Aye, tribalism, int'it. Great post, Helleofabore.

Here here.

The need to sort people into 'gangs' and being unable to see beyond that is depressing.

I'm also a bit 🤔that apparently the goal of middle ground is me 'thinking' that KJK is problematic. People are welcome to present evidence and arguments, but I'll make up my own mind and think what I want thanks.

FOJN · 20/03/2023 16:52

Good news OP, KJK has denounced the Nazis, I'm sure you'll be very pleased.

reduxx.info/aus-liberal-party-to-expel-female-politician-for-attending-pro-woman-rally/

Insecticide · 20/03/2023 16:52

Name changed as I, like OP, have felt a lot less welcome on here for quite a while now. I haven’t posted for a while on FWR, and was a lurker long before I ever posted. However, I agree with @andarounditgoesagain and @Climbles that there are a significant minority who are concerned now. I also used to be a big fan, and in many ways still admire the hell out of KJK. I’m not left-wing. I’m centrist on most issues. I am wary of extremists in any group.

If we believe women should be able to set their own boundaries about who they want to be around or support - and I hope we all do - then we should be consistent and accept that a figurehead of women’s rights, who many of us supported (including financially) for a long time, doing things like hugging this man is going to cause some women to decide they would like to reconsider where their boundaries are.
news.sky.com/story/amp/carl-benjamin-ukip-mep-candidate-challenged-over-racist-language-11703619
And if the CPAC funding thing is true then I think it’s relevant that CPAC also fund people like Viktor Orban, who very openly hates gays and Jews and anyone of mixed race, for starters.

It’s not wrong for us to be wary of racists. It’s not wrong for us to be discomfited by the fact we’re steamrollered - here in the very place where most of us peaked - if we try to say “I’m not really sure I’m okay with this, as it happens.” And I’m shocked by the number of women who are happy to shout us down.

What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns
suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 16:55

Posie Parker doesn’t need to cosy up to or get into bed with the far right...she’s perfectly capable of occupying the bed on her own.

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 16:56

That doesn't even make any sense, suggestionsplease.

suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 16:56

Let’s take the evidence ‘from the horse’s mouth’

See from 9.40 on this video:

suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 16:57

Here is the verbatim transcript from about 9.40
mins in on “The cowardice of women and the stupidity of the police”

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

(At this point Posie Parker make entirely unevidenced claims about serial killers, sexual fetishes and autogynephiles.)

And now suddenly they are branded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

…...........

Each and every woman that stands in my way - let me just tell you: You will be annihilated.”

suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 16:57

Would posters here like to explain how this statement from Posie Parker is not prejudiced / bigoted?

Fascism does not arrive overnight.

On the FWR boards Posie Park has had at least 2 recent appreciation threads (the 2nd one started after the first maxed out at 1000 posts.)

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 16:58

nilsmousehammer · 20/03/2023 16:51

Here here.

The need to sort people into 'gangs' and being unable to see beyond that is depressing.

I'm also a bit 🤔that apparently the goal of middle ground is me 'thinking' that KJK is problematic. People are welcome to present evidence and arguments, but I'll make up my own mind and think what I want thanks.

We are instructed to join in with the struggle session and condemn all those deemed impure, nils.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 16:59

Sargon is one of the aforementioned men who have been dragged over to the feminist point of view on some topics, no?

Pretty sure I remember him (or perhaps one of the other hosts on his podcast) saying (paraphrase) ‘I can’t believe I’m saying this but terves were right!’

Talking amongst ourselves won’t change anything, sadly, so yes, we are gonna have to risk getting cooties and talking to people outside of the lefty women bubble, perhaps including (gasp!) a bloke who once stood (unsuccessfully) for UKIP.

Julie Bindel once did a speaking tour of Universities with Milo of the Greek name I can’t spell from Brietbart 🤷‍♀️

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 17:02

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 16:56

That doesn't even make any sense, suggestionsplease.

That’ll be all the frothing Suggestions does.

Makes clear comms impossible.

suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 17:04

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 17:02

That’ll be all the frothing Suggestions does.

Makes clear comms impossible.

Ok, for the hard of understanding I will make my point clearer:

There is not really any need to highlight Posie Parker's far right associations when you can just quote her own words.

Merkins · 20/03/2023 17:05

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 16:59

Sargon is one of the aforementioned men who have been dragged over to the feminist point of view on some topics, no?

Pretty sure I remember him (or perhaps one of the other hosts on his podcast) saying (paraphrase) ‘I can’t believe I’m saying this but terves were right!’

Talking amongst ourselves won’t change anything, sadly, so yes, we are gonna have to risk getting cooties and talking to people outside of the lefty women bubble, perhaps including (gasp!) a bloke who once stood (unsuccessfully) for UKIP.

Julie Bindel once did a speaking tour of Universities with Milo of the Greek name I can’t spell from Brietbart 🤷‍♀️

Carl Benjamin. The great Feminist who tweeted Jess Philips to tell her she was too ugly to rape.

TinselAngel · 20/03/2023 17:05

suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 16:55

Posie Parker doesn’t need to cosy up to or get into bed with the far right...she’s perfectly capable of occupying the bed on her own.

Is it a toxic hotbed?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 17:07

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 16:58

We are instructed to join in with the struggle session and condemn all those deemed impure, nils.

Country Music Old Town Road GIF by Lil Nas X

Hmm.

If the choice is merrily dancing with the religious right or self flagellating on command of frothing TRAs I might have to review my previous stance on line dancing.

SapphosRock · 20/03/2023 17:07

It’s not wrong for us to be wary of racists. It’s not wrong for us to be discomfited by the fact we’re steamrollered - here in the very place where most of us peaked - if we try to say “I’m not really sure I’m okay with this, as it happens.” And I’m shocked by the number of women who are happy to shout us down.

This. And it can feel like an angry pile on and often gets personal towards any poster who dares speak up.

I still think it's important to speak up when something doesn't sit right.

I am always willing to be proved wrong and to listen to other people views, but it's bloody hard work on here when it comes to KJK.

TinselAngel · 20/03/2023 17:08

suggestionsplease1 · 20/03/2023 16:57

Here is the verbatim transcript from about 9.40
mins in on “The cowardice of women and the stupidity of the police”

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

(At this point Posie Parker make entirely unevidenced claims about serial killers, sexual fetishes and autogynephiles.)

And now suddenly they are branded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

…...........

Each and every woman that stands in my way - let me just tell you: You will be annihilated.”

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