Trans Widows are the only mothers of our children.

[TinselAngel]

I don't want this claim by @bathhy to get lost in a thread that will no doubt go along the usual lines.

"As a trans woman mother who uses Mumsnet, I would never recommend coming here."

Trans women can never be the mother of any child. We women, the trans widows who are usually your exes, who give birth to those children are their mother and always will be.

If you adopt a child, you can be the child's parent, but as a male you are not the child's mother.

Trans widows say no to having our status and legal responsibility as mother taken from us.

Women here must not allow forced teaming from men who wish to appropriate our status as the mothers of our children.

Every woman here should consider how they would feel if the father of their child after having taken so much from them already, then demanded to be called "Mum."

Wheedley-needley

I'd also say that as a middle aged, heterosexual woman
"New York gay/trans ballroom culture" has absolutely no relevance to me, whatsoever.

In what way are they de facto mothers? What does the phrase de facto mother even mean?
The only person here confused is you. Deeply confused.
Men can’t be mothers.
I give people the respect I give to everyone by using whatever first name they like, that doesn’t signify I accept or support their delusion that you can change sex.
Mother isn’t a name, it’s a noun.
Its deeply weird that you want to force people to call men mother. Do you have unresolved issues with your own mother?

I think your’e confused. Just call a transwoman mother if she has kids and wants to be called mother. What the big deal? You wouldn’t deadname her, so why not?
No.

This you will note, is when the wheedling starts to turn into bullying.

Broaden your horizons. The world, thankfully, doesn’t revolve around your preferences and needs.

Some men crave women’s attention so much they’ll actually pay women to scold them.

At some point I resent witnessing them getting this service for free.

Broaden your horizons. The world, thankfully, doesn’t revolve around your preferences and needs.

Watch my lips, NO.

Or indeed yours.

😂Oh my word the ironymeter has exploded.

Mother is a verb as well as a noun.

To mother….is not gender specific.

So all you claiming “mother” is unequivocally tied to non-trans women need to take a look at the dictionary

Yes, good point, Tea.

Why are you here, on mumsnet, quibbling with mothers over the meaning of the word mother?

It’s also a verb. Which isn’t gender specific.

I’ll chalk that up as a win.

They're like water, always trying to find a way through.

Why don’t you just use a premium-rate phone number in the back of Viz Madam?

And wet.

At least you'll all now have more understanding of what trans widows say about boundary pushing.

Yes it’s so bloody needy and incessant, my heart goes out to you

So we’re agreed it’s defo not a name.
Men can’t be mothers.
Please see the actual definitions oh oh you aren’t gonna like them!

You don't actually think it's a surprise to women that our needs are over looked do you?

Persistent is futile.
Women say no. We will keep saying no. You can't bully us into submission.
No to mutilating language to fit men's desires.

Men can mother though. Contrary to someone upthread saying it was only a noun. So, what’s the big deal in referring to a transwoman as a mother?

Fuck me your incessant attempts to push boundaries is creepy as hell

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