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Trans Widows are the only mothers of our children.

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TinselAngel · 27/02/2023 17:06

I don't want this claim by @bathhy to get lost in a thread that will no doubt go along the usual lines.

"As a trans woman mother who uses Mumsnet, I would never recommend coming here."

Trans women can never be the mother of any child. We women, the trans widows who are usually your exes, who give birth to those children are their mother and always will be.

If you adopt a child, you can be the child's parent, but as a male you are not the child's mother.

Trans widows say no to having our status and legal responsibility as mother taken from us.

Women here must not allow forced teaming from men who wish to appropriate our status as the mothers of our children.

Every woman here should consider how they would feel if the father of their child after having taken so much from them already, then demanded to be called "Mum."

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 25/05/2023 19:13

Global,warming can’t come too soon. We don’t deserve to survive as a species if this is the end game.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/05/2023 19:41

those pictures give me the panicky feeling i get when a child is in danger

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SerafinasGoose · 31/05/2023 11:14

MadamAndTheAnts · 27/02/2023 18:25

If a kid can have two lesbian mums (with one being the birth mother), a transwoman can also be a mum, although not a birth mother.

If you don’t believe a transwoman can have any title traditionally associated with women, then this thread is the typical yawn fest you get here

The person who carried and birthed the child - irrespective of whether donor gametes were used - is its legal mother. In a lesbian civil partnership or marriage, the partner will be the child's other legal parent. Those are the legal definitions - what the child calls the parents from then on is up to them.

Where a parent transitions clearly a different set of parameters applies. You'll see a PP has quoted clause 12 of the GRA on 'Parenthood', which clearly states

The fact that a person’s gender has become the acquired gender under this Act does not affect the status of the person as the father or mother of a child.

Note the terms 'father' and 'mother'. They do not use the more ambiguous 'parent' in this situation. There is good reason for that.

UK law is predicated on the basis that 'the rights of the child shall be paramount'. The parents' gender sensibilities, or wants, or perceived 'rights' are of no significance in this situation.

It's not about you, or about naval-gazing identity politics or the wants and whims of adults. This is what's in the interests of children. And it's very much not in the interests of children to be given responsibility to affirm the 'identity' of an adult, to act as support humans to adults from the point of birth, or to validate the feelings of an adult. Adults' responsibilities are toward children, not the other way round.

It's noticeable how frequently the more vociferous proponents of 'trans rights are human rights' fail to take account of the needs of the most vulnerable humans in our society: children.

It says much about that movement.

SerafinasGoose · 31/05/2023 11:16

Navel not 'naval'.

SmokeMeAKipper79 · 31/05/2023 11:24

Trans women can not be mothers. We need to seriously push back against this utter nonsense.

Only biological women can be mothers. End of.

Surely they can use the word 'parent' if they hate the word father so much?

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turbonerd · 29/06/2023 09:39

My jaw has hit the floor so many times now I think I need a little hammock to tie it shut with.
It is not on how some people get away with this complete nonsense.
Mind, it does start to look like they are getting less away with it.
Much respect to you Tinsel 💐🐲🐉

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TinselAngel · 29/06/2023 09:41

I will keep updating this thread every time I see an example of it, purely because of the PP who said there's probably only "about two people" doing it.

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WheresMyAlex · 29/06/2023 09:58

The drip drip drip of exposure feels so sinister to me, like on that ITV news clip.
’As a mum, like me’
no, fuck off out of here with that gaslighting shit.

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TinselAngel · 29/06/2023 10:14

twitter.com/cd36ab/status/1674223452100743170?s=46&t=PSGltfjrMyZmBtYq2-AVIQ

Objecting to being called "Dad".

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IcakethereforeIam · 29/06/2023 10:23

And the 'saintly martyrdom' 🙄in the attached text, neatly punctured by his child. I didn't read many of the comments but not getting much support there.

Boiledbeetle · 29/06/2023 10:43

TinselAngel · 28/06/2023 20:17

For a serious piece, supposedly, he looks inordinately happy

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TinselAngel · 29/06/2023 11:32

It's called Dupers Delight.

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ifIwerenotanandroid · 29/06/2023 12:11

nilsmousehammer · 27/02/2023 18:40

Sweetie, you've got a back button and a 'hide board' button just like everyone else.

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Also, some posters ARE disagreeing, so there IS 'discussion or debate'. They're just not winning, is all...

Nice bit of minimisation: 'some minor example... some bit of language'. Motherhood. The creation of new humans, the continuation of the human race. That's what that 'minor example' is. 😂

ValancyRedfern · 29/06/2023 12:20

This person could barely conceal their glee. This person doesn't appear remotely worried about Thames Water, but is loving the opportunity to say 'as a mum' on TV. (Had to edit that multiple times...)

RavingStone · 29/06/2023 12:28

Urgh what's they doing with a breast pump?

I'd have not wanted that in shot had Thames Water come to film my male partner. Not for prudish reasons but because ginormous bf-ing breasts and all their accoutrements felt kind of private to me.

Woman2023 · 29/06/2023 12:55

TinselAngel · 29/06/2023 10:14

Did anyone get a screenshot? That tweet has been deleted. Presumably in an Orwellian attempt to rewrite history as well as lie in the present.

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TinselAngel · 29/06/2023 15:26

This one?

Trans Widows are the only mothers of our children.
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TinselAngel · 29/06/2023 20:18

Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4838004-did-anyone-see-the-itv-news-piece-about-of-water-bills-on-customers

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