Trans Widows are the only mothers of our children.

[TinselAngel]

I don't want this claim by @bathhy to get lost in a thread that will no doubt go along the usual lines.

"As a trans woman mother who uses Mumsnet, I would never recommend coming here."

Trans women can never be the mother of any child. We women, the trans widows who are usually your exes, who give birth to those children are their mother and always will be.

If you adopt a child, you can be the child's parent, but as a male you are not the child's mother.

Trans widows say no to having our status and legal responsibility as mother taken from us.

Women here must not allow forced teaming from men who wish to appropriate our status as the mothers of our children.

Every woman here should consider how they would feel if the father of their child after having taken so much from them already, then demanded to be called "Mum."

So it sounds like you would have no problem with a transwoman asking her kids to call her mother.

cool !

Sounds nothing like that. I will go along with any one’s chosen name, just as I would with anyone who changed their name. I still wouldn’t call a man a mother or a woman a father, because it’s not possible.

What would you say to a woman who adopted a child, a lesbian in a couple with s child who is not the birth mother?

Are you silencing their claim to be called “mother”??

This is not a gotcha to wedge open the use of the term 'mother' to enable it to be used by male people to use for themselves.

Please do crack on in trying to twist it to suit the needs of male people. It is very enlightening to all those reading along.

A mother is a female parent. A man is never a female parent.

Heavens to murgatroyd. I’m just never gonna agree that a man is a mother (because he literally can’t be)

it really isn’t hard

What would you say to a woman who adopted a child, a lesbian in a couple with s child who is not the birth mother?
I say that they're not a man.

I've been saying this for a while.

💯

What if the transwoman changed her actual name to Mother - you have to admit you’d have to play ball then though, no?

He still wouldn’t be a mother though would he? And frankly a man who wants all and sundry to call him mother probably warrants an active swerve

And if my granny had wheels fitted and changed her name to Yahama would she be a motorbike? Don’t be so ridiculous.

Yes, avoid at all costs.

*Yamaha

What if the transwoman changed her actual name to Mother - you have to admit you’d have to play ball then though, no?
You're just being silly now.

As my friend Lang always says, one way men get around being told "no" is by wheedling, and this is weedling at its finest.

And if my granny had wheels fitted and changed her name to Yahama would she be a motorbike? Don’t be so ridiculous.

I'm reminded of this:

I think Madam is the apathetic MRA who learned about feminism from reading Viz.

Omg I’ve been inadvertently influenced by Gino. I do have one of his cookbooks!

It’s not that silly. Several ‘heads’ of houses in New York gay/trans ballroom culture were referred to as Mother.

No one actually thinks they are a Mother though do they. The fact that you have said this at all shows how ridiculous your thought processes are.

It’s not that silly. Several ‘heads’ of houses in New York gay/trans ballroom culture were referred to as Mother.
There's probably several Grandmas in the world called Yamaha too but that still doesn't mean men can be mothers.

Trans Widows are very used to this sort of arguing black is white, technique.

They were de facto mothers though.

I think your’e confused. Just call a transwoman mother if she has kids and wants to be called mother. What the big deal? You wouldn’t deadname her, so why not?

Learn to accept the word no. It's not the start of a negotiation.