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Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 19:56

news.yahoo.com/nonbinary-former-biden-official-sam-165656140.html

'Brinton faces up to 10 years in prison for the alleged theft of the bag'

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 21:29

Indeed.

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twitterexile · 15/02/2023 21:32

ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 21:28

IDK. Why did Wynona Ryder steal clothes? to rub her bean in them?

Did you know some people steal for a thrill?

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What a very...male...post that is. Yeuch.

ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 21:34

twitterexile · 15/02/2023 21:32

What a very...male...post that is. Yeuch.

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oh sorry. I should be more feminine and docile, like a good girl.

CandyLeBonBon · 15/02/2023 21:36

ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 20:52

what does their non binary status have to do with anything?

The linked article quotes Sam's non binary status, which he's been very vocal about. Sam has been very clear that his non binary personality is an important part of his identity.

Oh and men stealing women's clothing is a well known indicator of what is socially considered deviant behaviour. Women stealing is usually rooted in different causes.

ClaphamSouth · 15/02/2023 21:47

This seems a good place to draw attention to IPSO's consultation on their guidelines for reporting on sex and gender identity. The deadline for filling it in is 10th March.

IPSO - Consultation on the reporting of sex and gender identity www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4739118-ipso-consultation-on-the-reporting-of-sex-and-gender-identity

EsmaCannonball · 15/02/2023 21:52

There's nothing gender diverse about creepy men stealing women's clothes. It's rather typical male-pattern sexually-motivated criminal behaviour. He's a Benny Hill character, not the Che Guevara of diversity. Maybe his non-binary-ness made him too ladylike to clamber over a garden fence in the middle of the night so he went for the more brazen airport carousel option? Who knows?

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 21:54

ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 21:34

oh sorry. I should be more feminine and docile, like a good girl.

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No, no. You keep doing you. It's all really helpful.

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 21:55

ANYWAY. I do look forward to hearing how the case pans out.

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 21:56

Oh, dear, look the Daily Mail are also calling him non-binary. Best off and scold them, too, ElonsMusky.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11755563/Sam-Brinton-Bidens-non-binary-ex-nuclear-waste-guru-released-without-bail-theft-charges.html

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lechiffre55 · 15/02/2023 22:04

The guy was in a very important position on a good wage. If he wanted to buy the clothes from a shop he could afford it easily. But he wanted to take the clothes and luggage belonging to a woman. He's done it more than once.
It's a fetish. Like the other fetishes he's put on display, only this one is illegal and non consentual.
He's a thief of women's underwear. It is not unreasonable to suspect he gets sexual gratification from it.
We'll know more after the trial. The jury are the finders of fact.

JellySaurus · 15/02/2023 22:05

Ignoring the derailer, the simplest way for the judicial system to cope with where to confine an enbie within a binary prison system, is to confine them in the prison for others of their sex. The alternative - which I expect will happen - is to avoid the issue entirely by suspending the sentence.

howmanybicycles · 15/02/2023 22:19

I'm never sure why this particular aspect (non binary) of his/their identity needs mentioning. The theft was still a horrible crime. Do they mention other parts of his/ their identity? If not, why not?

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 22:22

Perhaps because Sam Brinton made a lot of noise about his identity and how proud he was of it? I honestly would have thought he'd want to be described like that, otherwise why all the faff?

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HermioneWeasley · 15/02/2023 22:23

@ElonsMusky if the thrill is in the stealing, why is it only women’s clothes/suitcases he’s taken? Why not any men’s? Why hasn’t he been caught stealing groceries? Why are you so desperate to find an explanation other than the obvious?

Happylittlechicken · 15/02/2023 22:36

But @ElonsMusky Sam identifies as non binary. We were respecting his identity. If we’d called him a man, that would have been misgendering.

TheDogthatDug · 15/02/2023 22:47

I don't think that he will do any any jail time. Remember he has got that special teflon coating.

Notanotherone5 · 15/02/2023 22:54

Would you post a thread titled Bisexual John Smith in court soon? If not, why is this thread acceptable?

howmanybicycles · 15/02/2023 22:57

Notanotherone5 · 15/02/2023 22:54

Would you post a thread titled Bisexual John Smith in court soon? If not, why is this thread acceptable?

To be fair, the article felt the need to mention one aspect of his identity and that's not unusual nowadays given odd privileging of the reporting of gender identity for those people who actually have them. No one would bother to report that I was agender if I nicked something. The issue is not the OPs

scratchedbymycat · 15/02/2023 23:53

ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 20:52

what does their non binary status have to do with anything?

What a totally weird post. This is the 'sex and gender discussions' section of MN. What do you think gets discussed here?

scratchedbymycat · 15/02/2023 23:57

Notanotherone5 · 15/02/2023 22:54

Would you post a thread titled Bisexual John Smith in court soon? If not, why is this thread acceptable?

I have no idea if there's a section of MN where sexual orientation is the topic at hand (there must be, but I've never looked for it). It probably wouldn't be totally odd to see a post with a title like that over there. Context is everything.

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 16/02/2023 00:13

I think his ‘non-binary’ identification is very relevant.
If he gets sent to prison, which one will it be?

Male?

Female?

Male prison every second day, Female every other day?

Week on/week off Male and Female?

Or is there a ‘non-binary’ prison, where inmates can chose their clothes and pronouns according to their feelings of the day/or reject all binary delineations and remain neutral?

Or will he simply be let off a custodial sentence as his ‘non-binariness’ makes it too difficult to decide which prison is appropriate, or even that it makes it reasonable for him to have stolen these items?

He made being trans his persona, it is definitely relevant going forward.

CanadianReader · 16/02/2023 00:24

This guy has stolen a few suitcases. The first time he was caught, it was brushed off. After the third, they arrested him and fired him. His being non-binary is a big part of this since the Non-binaries were so proud to have him as a representative but now that's gone south. Well off man going around stealing women's luggage seems like some sort of mental illness or fetish.

howmanybicycles · 16/02/2023 00:33

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 16/02/2023 00:13

I think his ‘non-binary’ identification is very relevant.
If he gets sent to prison, which one will it be?

Male?

Female?

Male prison every second day, Female every other day?

Week on/week off Male and Female?

Or is there a ‘non-binary’ prison, where inmates can chose their clothes and pronouns according to their feelings of the day/or reject all binary delineations and remain neutral?

Or will he simply be let off a custodial sentence as his ‘non-binariness’ makes it too difficult to decide which prison is appropriate, or even that it makes it reasonable for him to have stolen these items?

He made being trans his persona, it is definitely relevant going forward.

Oh I see. Yes very relevant given current debates though prisons really are segregated by sex not identity. There are many female who don't identify as women and they're still in women's prisons.

mirax · 16/02/2023 02:30

EsmaCannonball · 15/02/2023 21:52

There's nothing gender diverse about creepy men stealing women's clothes. It's rather typical male-pattern sexually-motivated criminal behaviour. He's a Benny Hill character, not the Che Guevara of diversity. Maybe his non-binary-ness made him too ladylike to clamber over a garden fence in the middle of the night so he went for the more brazen airport carousel option? Who knows?

Exactly this.

Blister · 16/02/2023 05:50

howmanybicycles · 16/02/2023 00:33

Oh I see. Yes very relevant given current debates though prisons really are segregated by sex not identity. There are many female who don't identify as women and they're still in women's prisons.

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It is currently not factual to categorically state that prisons are segregated by sex not identity.

Men's prisons are mostly single sex. Women's are more of a melting pot- neither single sex nor single gender.

Prisons are intended to be segregated by sex. You are correct, there are the women who identify as men, who are mostly imprisoned with women. But there are also men who identify as women, who can also be found in women's prisons. This is now common knowledge after the recent reverse ferret of the Scottish prison service which has resulted in men already in women's prisons staying there but they made quite a splash about not accepting new ones by default.
But you already know this, so you've been waiting for someone to point out the obvious so you could play a "gotcha". Please do tell.