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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon

395 replies

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 19:56

news.yahoo.com/nonbinary-former-biden-official-sam-165656140.html

'Brinton faces up to 10 years in prison for the alleged theft of the bag'

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mrshoho · 16/02/2023 08:40

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 08:33

Well how about just using their name, is that really such a hard one to work out FFS 🙄

OK and what prison if sentenced do you believe Brinton should be housed in men's or women's?

Chersfrozenface · 16/02/2023 08:40

Helleofabore · 16/02/2023 08:34

Has that historically been used as a headline protocol?

I didn’t think so.

More often it was sex, age and crime, sometimes occupation mentioned in the headline.

The sex of the offender is often mentioned in headlines, as in the Scottish Sun's recent gem "Transgender woman 'raped two women with HER penis'.

And 'non-binary' is not a sexual orientation, unlike 'lesbian' - it is a label based on the binary nature of sex.

GrabbyGabby · 16/02/2023 08:40

Perhaps lets just hear what the defence is. If Sam cites their gender identity as a factor in him repeatedly stealing womens clothing, then i would say the headline is bang on.

Not aware of any cases of theft where sexuality has been submitted to the court as a mitigating factor.

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 08:44

Yeah I'm sure on the lesbian hating sites they will have similar pretexts to justify starting threads in the same fashion.

They will have studies that show lesbians are an extra special risk to straight women perhaps, so they absolutely have to drone on about it to see where those conclusions take them.🙄

mrshoho · 16/02/2023 08:45

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 08:33

Well how about just using their name, is that really such a hard one to work out FFS 🙄

OK and does this apply in all cases? So we don't discuss anyone's identity just their names? Weird what is all the fuss about frigging pronouns then?

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 16/02/2023 08:47

As this isn’t a lesbian hating site, then it is not relevant.

Go there and lecture them about their hate.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 08:50

Shhhhh wimms! A decree has been handed down! We shalt not talk about the relationship between sexual paraphilias, such as crossdressing, and impulse control disorders, such as kleptomania!

www.researchgate.net/publication/26849134_Fetishism_and_Kleptomania_A_Case_Report_in_Forensic_Psychiatry

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 08:51

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 16/02/2023 08:47

As this isn’t a lesbian hating site, then it is not relevant.

Go there and lecture them about their hate.

It's all singing from the same hymn sheet.

You are all using exactly the same themes, rationales and approaches.

You all strengthen each other so it has tackled wherever it is seen to try to stop the hate approach towards minority groups.

Justme56 · 16/02/2023 08:53

It looks like the LGBT organisations highlight Sam’s identity too.

Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon
Chersfrozenface · 16/02/2023 08:54

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 08:50

Shhhhh wimms! A decree has been handed down! We shalt not talk about the relationship between sexual paraphilias, such as crossdressing, and impulse control disorders, such as kleptomania!

www.researchgate.net/publication/26849134_Fetishism_and_Kleptomania_A_Case_Report_in_Forensic_Psychiatry

Quite so. We must never mention the link between these two things. Or between paraphilias and gender identities. Ever.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 08:54

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 08:44

Yeah I'm sure on the lesbian hating sites they will have similar pretexts to justify starting threads in the same fashion.

They will have studies that show lesbians are an extra special risk to straight women perhaps, so they absolutely have to drone on about it to see where those conclusions take them.🙄

This lesbian hating website, does it actually exist or is it just part of your fevered imagination?

Over 98% of sex offences are committed by
males, the fact that Brinton is a man who stole used clothes from at least two women is relevant. That Brinton claims not to be a man is also relevant, if only to point out that his maleness is relevant to his behaviour.

HTH!

Beowulfa · 16/02/2023 09:00

It is standard journalese to report age and sex of the accused; "a 58 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of arson". I think there are legal restrictions on when the name or any other information can be published.

This issue with Brinton as that Brinton insists Brinton is non-binary. Therefore the reporting can't say "man", and correctly uses Brinton's own preferred terminology.

howmanybicycles · 16/02/2023 09:06

Beowulfa · 16/02/2023 09:00

It is standard journalese to report age and sex of the accused; "a 58 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of arson". I think there are legal restrictions on when the name or any other information can be published.

This issue with Brinton as that Brinton insists Brinton is non-binary. Therefore the reporting can't say "man", and correctly uses Brinton's own preferred terminology.

Then it's double standards to report about what is happening to women in Afghanistan. Either they report about sex, in which case this is a man, or they report about identity.

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 09:10

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 08:54

This lesbian hating website, does it actually exist or is it just part of your fevered imagination?

Over 98% of sex offences are committed by
males, the fact that Brinton is a man who stole used clothes from at least two women is relevant. That Brinton claims not to be a man is also relevant, if only to point out that his maleness is relevant to his behaviour.

HTH!

I'm sure it used to a fevered figment of trans people's imaginations that one day there would exist a sure dedicated to demonizing them.

And now they exist! Who knew! 🙄

Thanks for pointing out that maleness might be a relevant feature of this alleged theft. Mumsnet FWR does indeed provide valuable public service 🙄

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 09:14

It certainly does, suggestions. Glad you came round in the end. This site has helped thousands of women leave abusive relationships, lobbied parliament,and created several very successful campaigns for women's rights.

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GrabbyGabby · 16/02/2023 09:14

Oh so you acknowledge that theys maleness is a likely factor in the crime, so should the title of the thread be Male, Sam Brinton? Does that pass muster.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 09:14

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 09:10

I'm sure it used to a fevered figment of trans people's imaginations that one day there would exist a sure dedicated to demonizing them.

And now they exist! Who knew! 🙄

Thanks for pointing out that maleness might be a relevant feature of this alleged theft. Mumsnet FWR does indeed provide valuable public service 🙄

Mumsnet is a site with 10 million users across multiple boards - all the trans related discussion was shunted onto one board, so if you only ever come to this part of the site, yes, it does look like it’s all about transgender related encroachment into Women’s rights and childrens safeguarding 🤦‍♀️

meanwhile, over on the Doghouse, or The Royal Family, or TTC, nothing about transgender people committing crimes against women at all! Funny that.

lechiffre55 · 16/02/2023 09:16

@suggestionsplease1
I think you are conflating two different things.
1 A dislike towards a minority group.
2 A dislike of the woke activist mentality who in their promotion of minority groups identities ignore any negative behaviour by individuals within that group.

Example : I don't care any more or less about non binary people ( the group ). I hope they live their best lives and get treated with respect.
I think Sam Brinton ( the individual ) is an absolute dickhead. He's the one who made a huge deal of his non binary status in a very narcissistic way. He's clearly decided that his specialness far outweighs the rights of women to retain their own intimate possessions. Women just exist for Sam to take their stuff. It's bad enough to lose possessions to theft e.g. a laptop or money. Can you imagine how it must feel to find out some pervert stole your underwear and is using it for sexual gratification. That must be deeply unpleasant for his victims. What about a woman who now loses her luggage because the airline lost it, but is worried another Sam Brinton of this world is dressing up in it and getting his rocks off. What if a woman sees one of Sam Brinton's "fabulous" non binary fetish poses that he seems quite proud to be putting out there and recognises her stolen underwear or high heels being used in the photo? Sam Brinton is a sad tawdry thief with a fetish that compells him to repeatedly steal women's clothes for sexual self gratification, and in the eyes of the woke brigade can do no wrong because of his elevated status resulting from his declaration "I'm non binary. Worship me!".
If he wasn't a non binary exhibitionist and fetishist, just your sad avarage white male middle aged heterosexual panty sniffing knicker nicker would you be putting so much effort into defending him? It is that which people object to. The sacred status conferred by a statment that denies reality. If only he'd stolen a black inflatable outfit that made him look like a small oddly shaped blimp he'd be immune from even the court system. Silly man.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 09:16

GrabbyGabby · 16/02/2023 09:14

Oh so you acknowledge that theys maleness is a likely factor in the crime, so should the title of the thread be Male, Sam Brinton? Does that pass muster.

‘Male who says they is nonbinary’ perhaps?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 09:18

If only he'd stolen a black inflatable outfit that made him look like a small oddly shaped blimp he'd be immune from even the court system. Silly man.

😂😂😂

Beowulfa · 16/02/2023 09:19

howmanybicycles · 16/02/2023 09:06

Then it's double standards to report about what is happening to women in Afghanistan. Either they report about sex, in which case this is a man, or they report about identity.

The press are in a right old tangle aren't they.

The Metro has been leading heavily on the recent teen park stabbing. The victim is described as "girl" or "transgender", but the two 15 year olds arrested are "male" and "female".

SinnerBoy · 16/02/2023 09:21

Helleofabore · Today 08:36

And yes, for an offense carrying a prison sentence, it is important to focus on the sex of the person and the nature of the prison this person could be placed in.

And it's especially relevant, as he's been stealing women's underwear, to use for his own pervy satisfaction; it helps readers to gain an insight into his motivation.

SinnerBoy · 16/02/2023 09:22

suggestionsplease1 · Today 08:44

Yeah I'm sure on the lesbian hating sites they will have similar pretexts to justify starting threads in the same fashion. They will have studies that show lesbians are an extra special risk to straight women perhaps, so they absolutely have to drone on about it to see where those conclusions take them.

Did Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy tell you all that?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 09:22

Beowulfa · 16/02/2023 09:19

The press are in a right old tangle aren't they.

The Metro has been leading heavily on the recent teen park stabbing. The victim is described as "girl" or "transgender", but the two 15 year olds arrested are "male" and "female".

How will they cope if both the accused claim to be Nonbinary in custody?

NecessaryScene · 16/02/2023 09:22

Sam Brinton's "non-binary" status is ONLY of interest to us here because he and some others claim that his "non-binary" somehow trumps the fact he's male.

If non-binary men weren't pretending not to be male, or claiming that they didn't have exactly the same behaviour patterns as men, or trying to bypass normal sex-based protocols there would be no beef.

But as long as non-binary men are pretending they're different from men, we have to keep pointing out that they're not. Including highlighting cases like this of a non-binary man carrying out a male-typical offence against women.

There is no need to highlight other groups of men, as they're not claiming their labels exempt them from being treated as men.