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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 19:56

news.yahoo.com/nonbinary-former-biden-official-sam-165656140.html

'Brinton faces up to 10 years in prison for the alleged theft of the bag'

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Helleofabore · 16/02/2023 09:26

”I'm sure it used to a fevered figment of trans people's imaginations that one day there would exist a sure dedicated to demonizing them.”

You do resort to hyperbole here.

Demonising ? By mentioning males have a particular fetish ?

I suggest you go and talk to those male people and tell them to stop because they are bringing attention to their activities. Oh, and that it causes mentions of the activities in the news and that according to some people is ‘demonising’ trans people.

Your posts have gone from anti-lesbian media to now using a media report into a male person’s fetishes as ‘demonising’ trans people.

When LGBT media are reportedly using the same headline….

You don’t seem to be able to support your point of view without resorting to this hypocrisy. Maybe your point is weak.

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 16/02/2023 09:29

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 08:51

It's all singing from the same hymn sheet.

You are all using exactly the same themes, rationales and approaches.

You all strengthen each other so it has tackled wherever it is seen to try to stop the hate approach towards minority groups.

How is it hate when it is how the person defines themselves?
We haven’t invented a label and insisted on characterising this person as it - this person has demanded of the world at large that they are known as non-binary.
It is ridiculous to condemn people FOR NOT using chosen pronouns/validating non-binary status, and then also condemn people FOR using chosen pronouns/acknowledging their non-binary status!!!
Or is it another case of not being “real” trans if they commit a criminal act?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 09:30

Or is it another case of not being “real” trans if they commit a criminal act?

I think they is still real trans but women are forbidden from talking about it?

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 09:45

So we are to acknowledge identity, take note and obey pronoun pronouncements, and honour gender identity only up until the moment they commits a crime, is that the idea?

This person has loudly celebrated being non-binary and an activist. They're a public figure, and had a responsible government job. See attached headlines from Pink News - if we're not to mention Brinton's identity, I really hope someone is letting Pink News know the new diktat.

The only noticeable difference in PN's reporting pre and post arrest is that they've dropped the 'brilliant'. I'm happy to follow their lead, here.

Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon
Non-binary Sam Brinton in court soon
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mrshoho · 16/02/2023 09:48

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 09:45

So we are to acknowledge identity, take note and obey pronoun pronouncements, and honour gender identity only up until the moment they commits a crime, is that the idea?

This person has loudly celebrated being non-binary and an activist. They're a public figure, and had a responsible government job. See attached headlines from Pink News - if we're not to mention Brinton's identity, I really hope someone is letting Pink News know the new diktat.

The only noticeable difference in PN's reporting pre and post arrest is that they've dropped the 'brilliant'. I'm happy to follow their lead, here.

Well spotted 😁🤪!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/02/2023 09:49

lechiffre55 · 16/02/2023 09:16

@suggestionsplease1
I think you are conflating two different things.
1 A dislike towards a minority group.
2 A dislike of the woke activist mentality who in their promotion of minority groups identities ignore any negative behaviour by individuals within that group.

Example : I don't care any more or less about non binary people ( the group ). I hope they live their best lives and get treated with respect.
I think Sam Brinton ( the individual ) is an absolute dickhead. He's the one who made a huge deal of his non binary status in a very narcissistic way. He's clearly decided that his specialness far outweighs the rights of women to retain their own intimate possessions. Women just exist for Sam to take their stuff. It's bad enough to lose possessions to theft e.g. a laptop or money. Can you imagine how it must feel to find out some pervert stole your underwear and is using it for sexual gratification. That must be deeply unpleasant for his victims. What about a woman who now loses her luggage because the airline lost it, but is worried another Sam Brinton of this world is dressing up in it and getting his rocks off. What if a woman sees one of Sam Brinton's "fabulous" non binary fetish poses that he seems quite proud to be putting out there and recognises her stolen underwear or high heels being used in the photo? Sam Brinton is a sad tawdry thief with a fetish that compells him to repeatedly steal women's clothes for sexual self gratification, and in the eyes of the woke brigade can do no wrong because of his elevated status resulting from his declaration "I'm non binary. Worship me!".
If he wasn't a non binary exhibitionist and fetishist, just your sad avarage white male middle aged heterosexual panty sniffing knicker nicker would you be putting so much effort into defending him? It is that which people object to. The sacred status conferred by a statment that denies reality. If only he'd stolen a black inflatable outfit that made him look like a small oddly shaped blimp he'd be immune from even the court system. Silly man.

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ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 09:51

It seems correct to me that if you describe someone using their gender identity as a matter of course then you don't change your description purely on the basis of their having been accused/charged with a crime.

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scratchedbymycat · 16/02/2023 09:59

suggestionsplease1 · 16/02/2023 08:19

These threads are totally pathetic.

Imagine being on another site with a board obsessed over an ethnicity or a sexuality where posters started thread after thread...

'Lesbian Gemma D in court for...'
"Lesbian Sarah C arrested over..'
'Lesbian Ann T convicted for the...'
'Lesbian Ella S sentenced to 10 years for..'

Well ... the subject of gender is very very topical. The Isla Bryson case exposed serious threats to women in prisons - a threat people like the women on these threads warned the Scottish government about. Those threats were ignored. Women were put at risk. The public horror at that has quite possibly ended Sturgeons career, and that could quite possibly impact on Scottish Independence. The issue hasn't gone away. Women are still sounding the alarm over risks.

So what you're doing, is what Sturgeon did. Ignoring, silencing and revealing yourself as a person who thinks gender identity is more important than women's safety.

Like Sturgeon, you're so concerned with being all 'progressive'**, that you feel comfortable coming onto a forum and telling women that their concerns about their own safety, their worries about other women, concerns about longer term consequences for their daughters.

You are even more suiting than Sturgeon, because you even feel it's OK to come over and tell FEMINISTS in a FEMINIST FORUM that they may not discuss FEMINIST ISSUES.

Who the fuck do you think you are? Seriously?

Unlike Sturgeon, you won't lose your job when the public decide your views are crap. And yes, you can go tell your pals how you tried to fight the good fight.

But two things you need to take on board, whether you like it or not.

First, ordinary women will judge you every day all day for your casual disregard for their safety. We're currently in a time like the Spanish Inquisition, where the general public nods along with gender woo and suppresses deep misgivings. I, for example, do NOT talk like this in public. I nod along too. But I hear you, I note who you are, and I file you under 'misogynist'.

Second thing I would like to say to you, my contempt for people like you is absolute. My anger is white hot and pure. It sickens me to my core to see the casual disregard for womens safety, the denouncing of women as 'witches' if they dare query the evolving situation. Because that's what you're doing. And it's contemptible.

Third: you need to consider, like Sturgeon didn't, that there is no amount of brainwashing or compelled speech or workplace guidelines on pronouns that will EVER blind the public to tangible threats to women and girls safety. Fathers will never accept their little girls being exposed to penises and sexual harrassment in changing rooms, women will never capitulate and say 'Ok, we will compromise on rapists in our prisons' etc.

And when it explodes it will be ugly: all that pent up worry, silenced misgivings over safety - squashed down and suppressed because lovely people like you police how people think and feel - will explode all over the place. And transgender people who are decent, kind, safe, will be caught up in it. I blame people like you for that, not women who are trying to resolve a real painful issue.

I think you'd do well, if you can, to pack away your 'right on' 'progressive**' public signalling of 'I'm one of the nice kind good people' ... and think really hard and carefully about what you are ACTUALLY doing. Think about the long term consequences. And learn WHY this is an issue.

Or, just fuck off.

** There's nothing progressive about telling women to stop talking, that they should tolerate risks to their safety. That's as old as the hills.

scratchedbymycat · 16/02/2023 10:01

Apologies for typos and predictive text. I was so angry I just typed and hit post. Really so so so fuckibg sick of this insanity and groupthink.

ArabellaScott · 16/02/2023 10:12

Top rant, scratched. Smile

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OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 16/02/2023 10:19

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Exactly, scratched!

HermioneWeasley · 16/02/2023 11:02

Well said @scratchedbymycat

SnackQueen · 16/02/2023 11:07

He makes my skin crawl. What's the bet he will have appointed savvy lawyers who will expertly play the discrimination card and portray him as the real victim here.

lechiffre55 · 16/02/2023 11:34

@scratchedbymycat
Exactly.
The acvtivists really can't comprehend that it's the way and the manner that the activism is carried out that is the big problem not the minority group. To them it's the same thing. To them if you reject the method of the activism you are rejecting the minority group.
This is because in the activist's head because they think their motive is good that any actions they take must be good. They cannot see how destructive their methods are. It's not the minority groups that are the issue, it's you the fukking activists, virtue signallers, the "useful idiots" who are not capable of even understand that YOU are the problem. YOU are damaging the groups you claim to be helping.
Look at how society's great gains in positive attitudes towards LGB rights are receeding and declining because of the T activists, not the Ts, the T activists. Even the LGB community sees this and wants to distance themselves from the TRA insanity. You just see it as a way to score social points in the gay rights struggle part 2. But you are actively harming gay rights.

Examples
JK Rowling -
"Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?"
Decried by TRAs as a transphobe.
The fact Hogwarts Legacy video game has set world records in sales and twitch viewership should tell you just what the greater whole think of your boycott.

Fred Sargeant - Original Stonewall rioter and gay rights activist.
Decried by brightly coloured hair TRA morons on twitter as a transphobe. Physically attacked by TRAs. Just insane.
Here he is being interviewed by Buck Angel a trans porn actor about being attacked.

SirChenjins · 16/02/2023 11:38

👏👏👏@scratchedbymycat

Grumblemonster · 16/02/2023 11:54

@ElonsMusky Winona Ryder stole new clothes from a posh department store. Just the sort of place that she would have shopped at legitimately. Sam Brinton stole used clothes that had previously been worn by women. That seems like an interesting point of difference. Certainly not unheard of for people to steal used clothing, though. My neighbour once had some laundry stolen off the washing line. What sort of person does a thing like that, do you suppose?

Datun · 16/02/2023 12:14

Ffs. If transactivists don't want women to make connections between trans people and cross dressing fetishists they should have stopped Stonewall including them under the umbrella.

twitterexile · 16/02/2023 16:19

ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 21:34

oh sorry. I should be more feminine and docile, like a good girl.

I doubt very much that you are any kind of 'girl'.

twitterexile · 16/02/2023 16:20

Datun · 16/02/2023 12:14

Ffs. If transactivists don't want women to make connections between trans people and cross dressing fetishists they should have stopped Stonewall including them under the umbrella.

This.

OMG12 · 16/02/2023 16:49

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/02/2023 09:49

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This is why this should be prosecuted as a sex crime by a man.

EpicChaos · 16/02/2023 18:31

@Delphinium20 " I'd love to be in that courtroom. "

It might well be live streamed. Even if the usual law channels aren't covering it, it's possible that the judges' might stream it on their own channel.
If we know which court and judge, it should be easy to keep an eye open for.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 16/02/2023 18:39

This is an interesting and enlightening thread!
Thank you to all those who objected this giving other Mumsnetters the opportunity to make excellent arguments
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

In must be very hard to work in the criminology field right now - I’ll be watching Prof Jo Phoenix’s employment tribunal as well as Sam Brinton’s criminal case.

twitter.com/JoPhoenix1

Delphinium20 · 16/02/2023 23:21

EpicChaos · 16/02/2023 18:31

@Delphinium20 " I'd love to be in that courtroom. "

It might well be live streamed. Even if the usual law channels aren't covering it, it's possible that the judges' might stream it on their own channel.
If we know which court and judge, it should be easy to keep an eye open for.

I had considered posting the judge's name but then felt concerned that might harm her - it's not doxxing per se, but this is the US and plenty of people stalk and harass judges, with guns. I'll try to pay attention and report back.

EpicChaos · 17/02/2023 01:03

Ah, goodo then @Delphinium20 if you know who the judge is, have a look and see if they have their own court channel for streaming.
I follow a couple of judges, ( one for an upcoming case that i've been following for a while, where there have been quite a few hearings, so handy to have the judges channel, in case law channel stream goes down and i follow at least one other because he presided over a case i was watching and i liked the cut of his jib, oh actually, there's another one that i follow for that reason but they've put him on gardening leave lol. )
Anyway, a stream is always worth looking out for. :-)

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/02/2023 01:30

Suggestionsplease1 you keep making the same point on thread after thread, about a month or few apart. People reply and point out why your analogy with lesbians doesn't work. You disappear, and then try it again on another thread.

It's boring now.

Swipe left for the next trending thread