A woman has been found guilty of raping two women

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A woman has been found guilty of raping two women when she was a man. Happened in Scotland. She hasn’t been sentenced yet - but where will she serve her sentence? In the womens prison?!
This is going to mean some serious discussions and tough times for the Scottish government. But it was surely only a matter of time before something like this happened.

A transwoman with a GRC will be counted as female, as I understand it.

Also: 'TW without a GRC are initially sent to a male prison as a matter of course.'

In E&W. Not in Scotland. It's the opposite. Prisoners are sent to the prison that aligns with their special genderfeels.

ArabellaScott · Today 19:31
A transwoman with a GRC will be counted as female, as I understand it.

This is why it would be good to sign this petition to update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic “sex” means biological sex, not sex as modified by a GRC ✍️👇
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Also: 'TW without a GRC are initially sent to a male prison as a matter of course.'

Showing that, contrary to what some politicians have been arguing in favour of making GRCs easy to get, having a GRC does make a difference to more that a birth certificate or marriage licence.

In E&W. Not in Scotland. It's the opposite. Prisoners are sent to the prison that aligns with their special genderfeels.
Absurdly.

More dishonesty then.

"This policy will have no impact"

What do we need to demonstrate impact? Data.

This policy will change the data...to show that it has no impact.

Sorry I need to catch up on the thread - delighted to hear Jane and Fi pushing for an answer and using he repeatedly here:

twitter.com/timesradio/status/1618280972885057537?s=46&t=6OCX_izULL5Rvg6lKx9M3Q

(Who used to be on radio 4, Jane Garvey from woman's hour.)

Russell Findlay was on the radio refusing to call the rapist ‘she’

When you look at the SPS’s description of the “comprehensive” risk assessment they carry out, you soon see where the focus is (emphasis mine):

“Factors that we consider are the identified gender of the individual, how they were living in the community, where the individual themselves want to be placed. We will also consider their criminal history, so that will look at their index offence, their previous convictions, and we will take into consideration any risk factors that may pose a threat to individuals of a particular gender

“We will also consider the mental health of the individual and if their mental health may be exasperated, or negatively impacted on if placed within a particular area, and we’ll also consider the safety of the individual themselves – have they been the subject of any gender-based violence?“

So… that’s 7 areas that relate to pandering to the prisoner’s circumstances and just two (past offending and risk factors that pose a threat) relating to impact on the female estate.

No wonder the SNP are happy to rely on the SPS’s judgement about what to do with violent male prisoners wanting entry into female prisons.

The idea used to be, do something bad enough to get sent to prison, and you lose some of your rights. How old-fashioned! Nowadays, if you're a member of a Select Special Group of people, you actually get some additional rights, like your hurty feelings being taken into consideration, and, best of all, choose your own nick! 😃

You'd think people who are so keen on pronouns would know that 'rapist' takes 'he' and 'him'.

pandering is quite the word here.

Dominic Raab has tweeted about the new policy (policy in train?)

twitter.com/dominicraab/status/1618272220740218880?s=46&t=ebELmcX1Y9PRTYUraMmM7w

Here's a great reply, pointing people to how to sign the petition to repeal the GRA

twitter.com/dadrogd/status/1618314482429878272?s=46&t=ebELmcX1Y9PRTYUraMmM7w

Angela Richardson MP on that clip where the Labour MP called the rapist a "gentleman"

twitter.com/ajrichardsonmp/status/1618341551582896128?s=46&t=ebELmcX1Y9PRTYUraMmM7w

"Opposition politicians are completely twisted up on this issue because of zero leadership and zero consideration of vulnerable women. Commonsense tells us all where fairness lies in this scenario."

what about Karen White then? A male rapist in a woman's prison in 2018. Has the policy changed since then?

If we end up with separate units for "transwomen" it'll be interesting to see the reaction. I can imagine howls of outrage from some of them. Claims that they're not safe because some of those "transwomen" are dangerous. They'll not see the irony.

Thanks I'd never heard of her.
I'm away to look her up. Feeling almost ashamed not to know about the many amazing women who've gone before us and who make the place a better place for us.

Its verging on crazy that Transwomen wouldn't want to consider being women if we didn't have the same rights as men folk.

Brilliant wtf speech on lbc earlier by Tom Swarbrick

twitter.com/lbc/status/1618284431667564549?s=46&t=RQLzpO97tuv7ugFtownF8A

I have the tiniest bit of sympathy for Paulette (and I do mean tiny). It was an awful answer which made her look clueless with more empathy for a rapist than his victims. But I think that is a result of the Labour Party having no clear and sensible position, so less experienced MPs who aren't used to bullshitting are coming really unstuck.

They've done it before. Not sure if it's still in use. Usual thing - space and resources taken from the female prison estate, not the male, because of the need for high risk transwomen to socialise with female prisoners -

kpssinfo.org/the-transgender-unit-e-wing/

backintosociety.co.uk/2021/07/31/prison-bosses-put-transgender-sex-offenders-into-female-prisons-because-they-need-association-with-other-women/

And yes, the TRA's who I've seen commenting on the idea lay on the screams of it being transphobic to 'other' the male prisoners very thick.

Men have no right of access to women as therapeutic resources.

On a specialist TQ+ wing there will be plenty of people with all genders to socialise with.

In fact if we're going to look through that particular hand of ideological cards, the male prisons will in fact be full of all genders and no one can tell they're male without chromosome checks, can they now? So what's the diff? The risk assessments will work just as well there to keep vulnerable TQ+ male people safe presumably as the risk assessments supposed to keep vulnerable female people safe from the sex offender among them?

On the front page (not lead story) of the Telegraph

Sturgeon under pressure to move trans rapist from women’s prison

twitter.com/tmorrowspapers/status/1618374926603354118?s=46&t=ohPKT96RYNDGfHA2FKNOLg

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/25/nicola-sturgeon-pressure-remove-transgender-rapist-female-prison/

www.spectator.co.uk/article/isla-bryson-and-the-madness-of-scotlands-gender-bill/

Sturgeon should be under pressure to fucking resign.

Excellent thread outlining all the times the SPS have prioritised violent males over female prisoners -

twitter.com/ForWomenScot/status/1618308946523213824?s=20&t=CZykx3qD9RUGh-deB1Uu5g

Jeez that is so awful.

Agreed.
Or at least have 30mins in a locked room with him. Might wake her up shake her out her ivory tower.