A woman has been found guilty of raping two women

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A woman has been found guilty of raping two women when she was a man. Happened in Scotland. She hasn’t been sentenced yet - but where will she serve her sentence? In the womens prison?!
This is going to mean some serious discussions and tough times for the Scottish government. But it was surely only a matter of time before something like this happened.

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MOJ issued statement revising their policy of housing intact males in the female estate-finally

She must be spinning like a top!

Elizabeth Fry - the Quaker reformer who campaigned and fought for separate prison facilities for women to prevent them being assaulted and exploited.

That's fascinating timing. I still fail to see what possible exceptional circumstances there could be for a male being housed in the female estate, but I'll take it for now.

Thank heavens for this!

I still don't like the implication that some may be allowed. I don't think that even those who have had surgical reassignment should be housed in the female estate. They are still male, and safety isn't the only issue (though it is paramount), dignity and privacy are important, too.

I also fear that if exceptions are made for this group, it will be the thin and of a wedge to get other, entire, men into women's prisons.

That is a good beginning, but no makes should ever be imposed on women prisoners. It is fundamentally wrong.

The men who advocate for this kind of thing almost always turn out to be dodgy or creepy. There's almost always a few skeletons waiting to come out.

I agree. They’re trying to normalise kink under the guise of ‘helping others’ so when their own proclivities come out they look more palatable.

Also a chance for them to go 🖕🏻 to the boring people who they know would try and stand in their way…

Hope we’ll see a change in Scotland, doubt it though

Labour MP Paulette Hamilton on the "gentleman". Which...you know...isn't likely to be the case. Given the double rape conviction

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That doesn't apply to Scotland though, does it?

Halle bloody luia.

Except wtf with the grandfather clause that basically men currently in the women's estate can crack on with presenting unacceptable risk and loss of privacy and dignity to women, it just won't be an option for any new men.

And yes, wtf to the 'exceptional circumstances', there aren't any. TQ+ specialist units would be the answer there. No one wishes to see vulnerable TQ+ male prisoners lacking privacy, dignity and safety - they just want equal consideration applied to biological females .

There is some fuzziness in today's change to the transgender prisoner policy framework. The statement says that a) more than 90% of "transgender women" in prison are housed in men’s prisons; b) there is no obligation to move transgender prisoners according to their wishes; and c) TW without a GRC are initially sent to a male prison as a matter of course.

Is a) just a consequence of the fact that more than 90% of TW don't have a GRC? Does b) mean that there's no obligation to house TW with GRCs in the female estate? In countries like Ireland with self-id where GRCs are easily available to any man, it appears that the state is obliged to house all TW offenders in the female estate because they are "legally female".

And yes, all this will immediately be challenged by the usual suspects and a lot of court cases.

And yes, it'll be slammed into reverse if a Labour/Green/Lib/Other Raving Nutjob parties get into power.

This also looks to me like a potential firm use of the exception in the EqA2010. Which would be VERY interesting.

TQ+ specialist units would be the answer there. No one wishes to see vulnerable TQ+ male prisoners lacking privacy, dignity and safety - they just want equal consideration applied to biological females .

Presumably there are 'Q+' males who don't in any way identify as women, e.g male nonbinary, who this would help too? Housing 'transwomen' in women's prisons privileges them over other 'vulnerable' males.

It's a bleeding obvious one which should always have been applied.

None of those parties will ever get into power. It’s something I hold on to, a glimmer of hope if you like.

I don't think there should be exceptional circumstances either, but it might have been politically necessary to get this agreed.

Whilst I don't agree they belong in the women's estate, it's possible they were thinking of someone along the lines of a non violent, GRC holding late teen TW, who has been on puberty blockers and has had breast implants but hasn't yet had so-called bottom surgery. So potentially someone who is small, highly feminised (for a male), functionally infertile, maybe even with micro penis.

I don't think that individual belongs in the female estate, but the risk to them in the male would be exceptionally high. They are the sort of sympathetic case which many still imagine and I could see a scenario where that kind of individual was being repeatedly presented as a reason not to block TW, and someone has proposed the "exceptional circumstances" ministerial approval to get around it. Which I can see the logic for as we know that the number of these individuals is tiny, comparatively.

I might be giving them too much credit mind you!

It's not perfect but, for rUK, it's a big step forward.

'I understand they are being held in segregation or isolation, however that can’t be sustained for more than 72 hours without the permission of Scottish ministers.

“If the person isn’t presenting an active threat to staff or prisoners, they have to be released into general circulation.'

news.stv.tv/scotland/ex-prison-governor-says-trans-rapist-isla-bryson-should-not-be-in-prison-at-all-female-cornton-vale

A rapist of women is a rapist of women. End of. A fox should never be housed in the chicken coop.

Do we know whether TW with GRCs are included in these stats? I know in other circs they're counted/recorded as female and so their impact "disappears" from the records.

I was musing on this while listening to Nicola Sturgeon on the radio seeming to imply that Bryson was "at it" (no true trans? But... doesn't that never happen?). She also said that GRR would have no impact on this sort of thing, but if TW with GRCs do disappear from stats it will certainly muddy the waters nicely to hugely increase their numbers.

That Scottish Minister who has such faith in the Scottish Prison Service. The SPS who has put a rapist in a women's prison, that SPS. He's in isolation at the moment but, according to the above article, he will have to be released into general circulation, with the women, in 72 hours. Actually, less than 72 hours because, I assume, the clock started ticking when he was sent down.