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Kellie-Jay's New Political Party

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TheBadLuckOfTeelaBrown · 07/12/2022 13:34

I can't see a thread on this, but she is starting a new party and will run in elections.

twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1600235830475653123?s=20&t=hhlXpo7uErB4FlkFj1nSRA

www.theotherparty.co.uk

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beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 18:13

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 18:11

ADF are not “tiny”
From one of the links I posted already that no one seems bovvered enough to have glanced at:

Founded by some 30 leaders of the Christian Right, the Alliance Defending Freedom is a legal advocacy and training group that has supported the recriminalization of sexual acts between consenting LGBTQ adults in the U.S. and criminalization abroad; has defended state-sanctioned sterilization of trans people abroad; has contended that LGBTQ people are more likely to engage in pedophilia; and claims that a “homosexual agenda” will destroy Christianity and society. ADF also works to develop “religious liberty” legislation and case law that will allow the denial of goods and services to LGBTQ people on the basis of religion. Since the election of President Trump, ADF has become one of the most influential groups informing the administration’s attack on LGBTQ rights.

Despite its regular defamation of LGBTQ people, the group has managed to win special advisory status at the United Nations, in the European Union, and with the Organization of American States.

According to its website, the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) was launched on the morning of Jan. 31, 1994, during a meeting of more than 30 Christian leaders, in order to “defend religious freedom before it was too late.”

The founding board and original funders included James Dobson of Focus on the Family; Bill Bright of the Campus Crusade for Christ; D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries (now D. James Kennedy Ministries); and Don Wildmon, founder of the American Family Association. Its original purpose was to oppose the ACLU and other “radical groups” as well as to fight for “religious liberty.” Since its founding, ADF has expanded its operations abroad as it battles abortion, LGBTQ equality, and what it considers the “myth” of the separation of church and state.

A few gems
”When given the same choice the Supreme Court of the United States had in Lawrence vs. Texas, the Indian Court did the right thing. India chose to protect society at large rather than give in to a vocal minority of homosexual advocates. … America needs to take note that a country of 1.2 billion people has rejected the road towards same-sex marriage, and understood that these kinds of bad decisions in the long run will harm society.” – Benjamin Bull, former executive director of ADF Global, on the recriminalization of consensual sex between adults of the same sex in India, 2013”

”“In the end, those who profess to be ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian,’ or who have otherwise slipped in and out of homosexual behavior, including ‘cruising’ for anonymous partners, are people who succumb to a dangerous temptation.” – Austin Nimocks, then-ADF senior counsel, writing at TownHall.com, 2007”

”We mention the new promotion of pedophilia in the context of talking about the influence of homosexual behavior on college campuses, because, despite all objections to the contrary, the two are often intrinsically linked.” – Alan Sears and Craig Osten, The Homosexual Agenda: Exposing the Principal Threat to Religious Freedom Today, 2003”

“Alan Sears was the longtime president, CEO and general counsel of ADF until January 2017. He served in various positions during the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations and also worked for the Department of Justice and was appointed director of the Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography.

Under Sears’ leadership, ADF expanded its training, funding and outreach not only domestically but internationally. Using its international platforms, ADF works with policymakers and other organizations to outlaw abortion, deny equality and marriage to LGBTQ people worldwide, and continue to push for a hard-right Christian theocratic worldview that is reflected in legislation and policies.

ADF’s longstanding antipathy toward LGBTQ people has become public through its work on lawsuits, various statements its leaders have made and materials it has offered on its website over the years. It has also promoted the idea of a “homosexual agenda”— a nefarious scheme to destroy Christianity and, eventually, civilization through LGBTQ people’s efforts to secure equality under the law. To those who believe in this conspiracy theory, LGBTQ people are not really seeking equality; rather, they are actually seeking to destroy such things as Christianity, the family and culture.

here is the link (again) with much more of this ilk.
www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/alliance-defending-freedom

What's this for? Take it up with Helen Joyce - she's the one who said they were tiny.

It's got nothing to do with KJK how big, small, well funded or otherwise they are.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 18:14

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 18:09

Has any girl or woman died because a biological male has called themself a transwoman or transgirl? No.

Can you be absolutely sure of this? Women and girls have certainly come to harm because of men identifying as 'transwomen'.

Katie Dolatowski's victims and Karen White's victims for example.

They haven’t come to harm because of taking on the label TW or TG, but because they are violent men. The label itself didn’t turn them into violent men. They always were.

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 18:15

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 18:13

And thanks for showing us who you really are @Onnabugeisha. You can stop pretending you support WPUK now and just come clean about being a TRA.

Indeed. You might as well admit it now.

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 18:16

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 18:14

They haven’t come to harm because of taking on the label TW or TG, but because they are violent men. The label itself didn’t turn them into violent men. They always were.

They were able to access their victims because of the label.

Your ignorance and misogyny are showing.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 18:16

It's got nothing to do with KJK how big, small, well funded or otherwise they are.

Actually it does, because KJK is a special advisor to WoLF which has been funded by ADF. WoLF membership consists of women with links to ADF. It is literally a “front” for ADF that can operate with a sheen of legitimacy now that ADF is tagged as a hate group.

airynothing · 09/12/2022 18:19

What's this for? Take it up with Helen Joyce - she's the one who said they were tiny.

It was @beastlyslumber who quoted HJ saying they were 'tiny', as mentioned above they received $95m in donations this year.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 18:20

Heavens, I seem to have come back in the middle of a full on tantrum

are you naughty women not believing the things you’ve been told to believe again?

tsk

Namochang · 09/12/2022 18:22

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/12/2022 18:05

What gives you the impression "that she’s not a fan of anyone not conforming to their gender stereotype in general" Namochang?

What has she said that makes you think that?

I’ve seen a few things.
But just watched this video that was posted and around 3 mins in. - m.youtube.com/watch?v=ByYJmh2G6z8

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 18:22

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 18:13

And thanks for showing us who you really are @Onnabugeisha. You can stop pretending you support WPUK now and just come clean about being a TRA.

I have been fairly puzzled by this person’s input all day. I was on another thread with them where they were pretty TWAW

you just here to stir the pot @Onnabugeisha ?

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 18:25

beastlyslumber · 09/12/2022 18:16

They were able to access their victims because of the label.

Your ignorance and misogyny are showing.

Katie did voyeurism and sexual assault in a womens toilet…they could have accessed the womens toilet without the TW label. I know, I’ve been assaulted in the womens toilet by a man who was not a TW, as have many other women and girls. It’s not just TW going in there.

Karen stabbed a pensioner in his home, they didn’t get access to him by being a TW. In the womens prison, Karen has assaulted a few women- yes the label gave access to women victims of assault.

But no woman or girl has DIED. That was my comment. Not “ever been slightly harmed”

As in does the woman label cause DEATH to women and girls at anything like the same rate of DEATHS that occur when you take away the right to a legal and safe abortion.

Your two paltry examples only prove my point. I think it’s a bit misogynistic to rank voyeurism and sexual assault or common assault ABOVE death…it reeks of the old patriarchal value that a woman/girls purity is more important than her life.

Namochang · 09/12/2022 18:25

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/12/2022 18:11

If you have nothing to gain, then why are you and your KJK obsessed mates spending so much time doing precisely that? I learnt way back that feminism that excluded numerous groups of women was of limited value in getting societal change.
Yet here you all are, endlessly droning on about KJK's "sins" and allegedly representing an organisation (WPUK according to Onnabugeisha) with a woeful track record in protecting women's rights and safeguarding children. KJK's achievements in terms of engaging ordinary women in these battles frankly put you all to shame.

I’m not claiming to be supporting any organisation. I’m a woman with an opinion that is sharing it on an open forum.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 18:26

Namochang · 09/12/2022 18:22

I’ve seen a few things.
But just watched this video that was posted and around 3 mins in. - m.youtube.com/watch?v=ByYJmh2G6z8

3 minutes In that video she says
’it doesn’t mean that men aren’t allowed to cry, but there are physical differences between me and a 6 foot man’

are we watching the same video?

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 18:27

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 18:22

I have been fairly puzzled by this person’s input all day. I was on another thread with them where they were pretty TWAW

you just here to stir the pot @Onnabugeisha ?

I do believe transgender people exist. And I do think that after full gender transition surgery that TW should be able to use the womens toilets. I don’t agree with penises in womens spaces. This isn’t a black and white issue.

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 18:28

allegedly representing an organisation (WPUK according to Onnabugeisha)

No I never alleged that. Someone alleged that of me, and I said no I’m not here representing WPUK.

WarriorN · 09/12/2022 18:31

WarriorN · 09/12/2022 17:22

Why does the video cut off before she makes her point? It gets all of her 'by the way' but her actual point has been cut off. Weird.

Longer version which I happen to be watching now

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctcm4cS6NvA

Sorry actual quote is 46 min in, 23 is just touching on them.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 18:32

I do believe transgender people exist.

I believe Christians exist, but I don’t believe God created the world in 7 days

is Karen White a transgender person?

what’s the definition of a transgender person?

Namochang · 09/12/2022 18:32

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 18:26

3 minutes In that video she says
’it doesn’t mean that men aren’t allowed to cry, but there are physical differences between me and a 6 foot man’

are we watching the same video?

Clearly one one of us can read the time, but yes we are watching the same video. I’m not going to engage anymore as people are becoming deliberately obtuse.

My opinion stands, this will not end well.

OldCrone · 09/12/2022 18:34

Onnabugeisha · 09/12/2022 18:14

They haven’t come to harm because of taking on the label TW or TG, but because they are violent men. The label itself didn’t turn them into violent men. They always were.

Katie Dolatowski committed his crimes in women's toilets. If he hadn't identified as a 'transwoman' it's likely he would have been stopped from using them.

Karen White committed some of his crimes in a women's prison. He wouldn't have been there if he hadn't identified as a 'transwoman'.

These are men who were facilitated in their crimes by their identification as 'transwomen'. Those specific crimes would not have happened if they hadn't identified as 'transwomen'. So they did indeed happen because those men called themselves 'transwomen'. Which is what you were asking about.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 09/12/2022 18:34

Namochang · 09/12/2022 18:32

Clearly one one of us can read the time, but yes we are watching the same video. I’m not going to engage anymore as people are becoming deliberately obtuse.

My opinion stands, this will not end well.

Yes, if you think that quote means KJK has a problem with gender non conforming people, it’s probably best for you to draw a line under this

please rest assured that your concerns have been duly noted

WarriorN · 09/12/2022 18:34

Helen makes the point that they're the ones not platformed much. They're the ones who are weak and don't get heard. They're seeking out a platform alongside people like Helen Joyce. (ADF.)

nilsmousehammer · 09/12/2022 18:38

I think it’s a bit misogynistic to rank voyeurism and sexual assault or common assault ABOVE death…it reeks of the old patriarchal value that a woman/girls purity is more important than her life.

Alternatively, it can reek of 'unless a woman is actually dead, not sufficient harm has been caused to justify the appalling thing of saying 'no' to a male and prioritising their choices and inner lives over those of all females'. Which would seem fantastically misogynist.

WomaninBoots · 09/12/2022 18:39

Someone asked you for "your political party" and you responded with links to WPUK. Not a political party and not, now you say, yours.

If you think that KJK is going to do so much damage being at the forefront of this movement might I suggest that all you lovely, proper feminists GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND GO AND PUT YOURSELVES AT THE FOREFRONT INSTEAD THEN!!!

If you care that much that you are willing to spend hours and hours scouring her output to find all your evidence. Put that energy into representing YOUR take on it. Out there, publicly, taking all the flak, all the hate, all the threats, all the doxxing etc etc. Getting all your nice left wing women who are sooooooooo terrified of Being Bad People on side, mobilising them, giving then a voice. Will your left wing men overlords let them speak? Do you think? Can you manage to also engage with ordinary women? Because the left currently have a very bad track record of engaging with "the masses". Are you going to overcome that?

Go on then. Stop pissing around smearing KJK. Let her crack on. If you're so much better as a figure at the forefront with your perfect principles. Go on. Get on with it.

Happylittlechicken · 09/12/2022 18:40

Has any girl or woman died because a biological male has called themself a transwoman or transgirl?

@Onnabugeisha er…. There was the biological male who has just been convicted of killing 2 lesbians and their child.

there was the woman raped on a hospital ward then gaslit for a year that it couldn’t happen because there were no men on the ward. There was a biological male.

the 10 year old girl sexually assaulted in a toilet by a male with a trans identity
the girl in Loudon county who was anally raped in a mixed sex bathroom by a trans identified classmate. The school denied it happened at first.

is that enough or do you want more?

LangClegsInSpace · 09/12/2022 18:41

airynothing · 09/12/2022 16:54

This ADF?

Wow.

The full video of this debate has been up just less than 24 hours.

There's a new thread to discuss it here:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4694465-helen-joyce-julie-bindel-should-terfs-unite-with-the-right

Maybe I should be impressed by the sheer dedication of whoever pounced on this so quickly to rip bits of it out of context to further their agenda. That doesn't work when most of the people you are trying to fool will likely be watching the whole debate for themselves.

I clicked through to look at the channel that uploaded this. Whoever 'Jean Wilda' is they are obsessed with KJK and Glinner.

The frightening thing to me is that I can't tell if this a TRA channel or a socfem/'actual left feminist' channel.

pardonmytits · 09/12/2022 18:41

WomaninBoots · 09/12/2022 18:39

Someone asked you for "your political party" and you responded with links to WPUK. Not a political party and not, now you say, yours.

If you think that KJK is going to do so much damage being at the forefront of this movement might I suggest that all you lovely, proper feminists GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND GO AND PUT YOURSELVES AT THE FOREFRONT INSTEAD THEN!!!

If you care that much that you are willing to spend hours and hours scouring her output to find all your evidence. Put that energy into representing YOUR take on it. Out there, publicly, taking all the flak, all the hate, all the threats, all the doxxing etc etc. Getting all your nice left wing women who are sooooooooo terrified of Being Bad People on side, mobilising them, giving then a voice. Will your left wing men overlords let them speak? Do you think? Can you manage to also engage with ordinary women? Because the left currently have a very bad track record of engaging with "the masses". Are you going to overcome that?

Go on then. Stop pissing around smearing KJK. Let her crack on. If you're so much better as a figure at the forefront with your perfect principles. Go on. Get on with it.

Every bit this. Brilliantly put.

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