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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Men of the far right and the women's movement

463 replies

SapphosRock · 28/09/2022 16:12

Excellent article from Jean Hatchett about the recent fascism debate.

https://thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

This bit really struck me:

On one side of the fence are aggressive men screaming “fascist” at women who are clearly not. On the other side, skulking in the shadows, beneath the banners of women, are men who clearly are.

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TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 10:12

ArabellaScott · 29/09/2022 10:08

'creating extra divisions' would be people flinging names about and accusing women of 'fascism' or 'aligning with fascists'. I'd say.

Not making a joke about T shirts.

(I am going to bet that the hypothetical T shirt doesn't exist.)

Busted.

We made the pig up too.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 29/09/2022 10:12

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 09:32

Can you imagine how other people might see a t shirt with poundshop fascist on it ?

depends on whether they are privileged enough to be sneered at by Sarah Ditum or not, no?

They have t shirt printing shops in the asda near here

Mucho privilege

On a positive note my autocorrect has finally learned that when I type 'facist ' I mean 'fascist' (because I've typed it so many sodding times recently)

Which is a bonus

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:17

Well, hey. I think I put up the pig as an option on two other threads without comment. Anti-fascist pig needed their moment in the sun as it shows just how ridiculous the notion of assessing who can 'live stream' is.

So.... a woman who is not aligned with fighting for the rights of all females against the impact of gender identity could livestream and how would we know? Are there flip cards with images of all women who are against the fight available?

This could be another destination that we are headed to.

Just incase my pig doesn't work out.

FOJN · 29/09/2022 10:18

(I am going to bet that the hypothetical T shirt doesn't exist.)

Hell no. I'm inclined to be provocative when annoyed but I'm not that daft. 😁 Only one person on the thread is daft enough to pretend to take it seriously.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:20

Maybe we need a secret feminist intelligence organisation to produce those flip cards so all women who are not aligned but live-streaming even one speech can be suitably intimidated by, what, staring???, until they leave.

What about if they just take stills, is that ok?

What about if they actually want to just hear what is said, are they still allowed?

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:21

Sorry. I forgot, tutting is the answer.

Imnobody4 · 29/09/2022 10:23

Liked this.

Men of the far right and the women's movement
YetAnotherSpartacus · 29/09/2022 10:24

Excellent article. Well done, Jean!

Hepwo · 29/09/2022 10:24

What about if they actually want to just hear what is said, are they still allowed?

They should be informed that their feminist approved access to women's thoughts on this matter is strictly controlled and can only be accessed by reading a Julie Bindel article in with the Daily Mail or Spectator.

LK1972 · 29/09/2022 11:16

Hepwo · 29/09/2022 10:24

What about if they actually want to just hear what is said, are they still allowed?

They should be informed that their feminist approved access to women's thoughts on this matter is strictly controlled and can only be accessed by reading a Julie Bindel article in with the Daily Mail or Spectator.

And under no circumstances are they supposed to repeat, or 'regurgitate' what JB says, or JB will magically become a fascist Wink

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 29/09/2022 11:23

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 10:09

We are not the ones on this thread board throwing around the word.

And we are not the ones who are stirring up division.

Just the fucking opposite if you read any of my posts. We are saying, sure KJK missteps. I don't know if many people wholly agree with her on everything. There will be some who do. But we are saying we appreciate all the feminists for their work and I actually believe, that feminists should not be calling people 'Poundshop Le Pins' or domesticated zombies or vile piles of dog shit or as thick as a turd (or whatever Julie Bindel said about KJK) as some other feminists, and can just disagree with each other without the derogatory remarks.

What the actual fuck do you think many of the posters on this and other threads are saying?

I could translate what we are saying to what some on this board are hearing

But some fucker will take it out of context and use it as proof of a KJK fan club

So I'm not gonna

Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 11:41

What revelling in the fact that gender critical feminist has now been proven to be link with neo fascism thanks to some selfish ,working for God knows who Eva fucking Braun money grabbing rentagob? Yeah I owe her loads .She's a real Pankhurst . Working class hero my arse ..

Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 11:41

*feminism

FOJN · 29/09/2022 11:45

What revelling in the fact that gender critical feminist has now been proven to be link with neo fascism

Gosh this is shocking news, they're going after GC feminists now they've failed to trash KJK, she'll be relieved to know its not personal.

You didn't think KJK was a GC feminist did you?

dietlilt · 29/09/2022 11:45

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NecessaryScene · 29/09/2022 11:46

@Moresaltnvinegarplease More of this sort of content please. But remember to wipe down your keyboard occasionally.

(And the careful, but incomprehensible, correction follow-up is rather endearing).

beastlyslumber · 29/09/2022 11:51

Moresaltnvinegarplease · 29/09/2022 11:41

What revelling in the fact that gender critical feminist has now been proven to be link with neo fascism thanks to some selfish ,working for God knows who Eva fucking Braun money grabbing rentagob? Yeah I owe her loads .She's a real Pankhurst . Working class hero my arse ..

You seem lovely. Keep up the great feministing!

Bosky · 29/09/2022 11:55

Helleofabore - "(Imagine if Julie Bindel ended up with someone live streaming her talking outside the library the other day!)"

Glorious! 😂

It is surely only a matter of time?

Although I would prefer if it happened to Jean Hatchet, Jeni Harvey or one of the Brighton Witch-Finder mob. They are the ones who have been wielding the verbal knuckle-dusters for head-pats from the Blue Ticks and Leftie Prefects.

Of course they would still blame JKJ, for having the same views as them and 99% of rest of the population (including the 29 card-carrying UK fascists as apparently these are the only people who matter to them).

Despite it being all their own fault for not having hired an accredited anti-fash pig (at very reasonable rates) to sniff out Nazi infiltrators.

Hepwo - "Surely this is a job for the Antifa / black pampas?
They did a very poor job of Antifa-ing at Brighton. Perhaps the Brighton Feminist gang could give them some training in checking ID and Twitter accounts in public places as they seem to focus on middle aged women by mistake."

Faultlessly argued. Antifa really are falling down on the job. Yet again the problem seems to be failure to engage the services of anti-fash bacon.

ps. Can't be said often enough, this post is the bee's bollocks, cat's knees, dog's pyjamas:

"Feminism and the Far Left. Let Women Speak"
makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/feminism-and-the-far-left-let-women-speak

Archive:
web.archive.org/web/20220926194637/makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/feminism-and-the-far-left-let-women-speak

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 11:56

And I thought the Fascist hunting pig was ridiculous....

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 11:57

Hard to avoid the fact that too many of those who are joining in pointing fingers, even subtly like this Jean Hatchet article, are not providing any reasoned solutions, just accusations is being missed by many.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2022 12:01

It is surely only a matter of time?

I expect that extremists, real extremists, will now do this every time. It is a sure way to divide and conquer.

Handed to them by people who feel they are more righteous than others.

FOJN · 29/09/2022 12:05

Re whoever said I have a rage about Posie etc ..she annoys me as she has obviously undone any good work that real feminists have done with her shenanighans

Who are the real feminists? I hope that even under your stringent purity criteria WPUK qualify. I was very impressed with them when they formed. They were so measured, reasonable and respectful. I really thought they wouldn't be ignored. This is what they wanted to accomplish:

We want to ensure that:

women’s voices are heard in all areas of public life
women’s rights are upheld in law and policy.

Our campaign resolutions or ‘wants’ are:

Women have a right to self-organise
An end to violence against women
Nothing about us without us
The law must work for women
Sex matters.

Instead they were branded a transphobic hate group by the Labour party despite not mentioning trans once in their objectives. Recognition that sex matters was accomplished by someone else. The real feminists are still waiting for their preferred political party to even acknowledge they exist and are now denigrating a woman who has galvanised women in a way they couldn't.

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 12:33

Hepwo · 29/09/2022 10:24

What about if they actually want to just hear what is said, are they still allowed?

They should be informed that their feminist approved access to women's thoughts on this matter is strictly controlled and can only be accessed by reading a Julie Bindel article in with the Daily Mail or Spectator.

😀😀😀

’What revelling in the fact that gender critical feminist has now been proven to be link with neo fascism thanks to some selfish ,working for God knows who Eva fucking Braun money grabbing rentagob?’

Posie isn’t a ‘Gender Critical feminist’ but well done to you for giving us another chance to cross ‘nazi’ off the bingo board.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY

I dunno about the rest of my FWR chums but I am starting to think we need a rebrand so as to distance ourselves from all the completely nonsensical ‘GC feminists’ who’ve popped up to spout authoritarian bile in the last week or two.
It’s getting very hard to tell ‘left wing feminist’ from ‘TRA’ what with all this bash-the-fash overlap in the Venn diagram.

ArabellaScott · 29/09/2022 12:37

Ooh, a schism? I'm all for it! Let's NOT have a flag!

TheClogLady · 29/09/2022 12:41

Definitely no flag fuckery!

Maybe a few t shirts (to demonstrate our ‘privilege’)?