Edinburgh Fringe comic spat on and shunned by colleagues as a 'transphobe' for show about women

[JanieAllen]

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/edinburgh-fringe-comic-spat-shunned-27762754

The link works for me and it's the first result for oogling Debbie Hayton Elaine Miller and the 5th when googling Elaine Miller Edinburgh Fringe.

@TheLassWiADelicateAir Good taste is not what Gussie Grips is about . I agree the title is a truly dire pun but at least it lets you know to not expect a dainty show. I saw her a few years ago and she's good for belly laughs, embarrassing situations, and a lot of useful information. If that's not your thing then yes go see something else, there's plenty to choose from and Fringe ticket sales in general are low this year.

Oh and thx for sharing the video of her old show. Still makes me smile!

Well don't watch it then.

I'm sick to death of TRA's coming on here trying to stop women talking.

Joss’s problem is that nothing about women’s health is about him.

So this is a belief that the entire female human race (52% of humans in fact) should not talk about their anatomy, medical needs, share their experience of being biologically human...

because it makes a tiny percentage of male people sad that they do not have said female biology.

Isn't there a point at which you really have to start getting a grip? Because that's taking misogynistic self centredness to whole new extremes. Females talking about being female is 'hate'? Ffs. Get over yourself.

I'd point out that all over these boards there are:

infertile people coping with whole boards talking about fertility and pregnancy
disabled people coping with able bodied people discussing their abilities and freedoms
those who have lost children coping with those who have them talking about them
those with hysterectomies coping with people talking about their reproductive systems

Is this resilience and capacity to live and let live an inbuilt female thing we should be noticing and celebrating, or just a competent adult thing?

Oh bore off. Everyone who doesn't agree with your world view isn't a TRA.

The show looks ghastly and the clip I saw wasn't funny. I said nothing whatsoever about trying to stop you talking. I posted a supportive article , have said that the attitude of the Gilded Balloon staff member is bang out of order and that Miller has been treated badly.

Screaming "TRA" at any comment you don't like is as tedious and illogical as screaming "transphobe".

I think it’s a bit of both tbh.

The best way to deal Joss, Jen & Juno etc, etc is to ignore them. Don’t give them any attention at all.

it makes a tiny percentage of male people sad that they do not have said female biology.

Shouldn't think Joss etc even want female anatomy. Not really. Just a sort of vague 'Women, what would they know about the really important things about being female?' vibe.

Yes I agree.

Poor Joss. Always the usher, never the bride.

Yup.

It's basic human empathy. I have a feeling most TIPs are narcissists.

Great point.

Can I buy a ticket for someone ? I can't attend ( too far away) but I've love to support it

Again with the "spewing hate"? They do love a good cliché.

@Carriemac tickets can be purchased online

tickets.edfringe.com/whats-on/viva-your-vulva-the-hole-story

I didn't understand Joss P's point (I seldom do). I read it as the person who spat at Elaine Miller was 'spewing hate' towards Elaine. Vanishingly unlikely that Joss would say such a thing, I agree, but that's how I read it.

No you've definitely read it wrong. Joss is accusing someone of transphobia. That's got to be Elaine, albeit with a "veneer" on it: it wouldn't make any sense the other way around, especially not give the headline in the post.

Granted, Joss's hateful, angry rants can be difficult to decipher!

I read it that Prior thinks people spitting at Elaine is "social justice"

Deciphering is straightfoward once you've worked out which woman Prior is targeting.

If you want to know why people think she is transphobic, you can read her article here which does the whole “adult human female” schtick. She is what you would call gender critical, and everyone else, transphobic.

thecritic.co.uk/women-wont-wheesht/

That's lovely! Women supporting women all the way.

By contrast, I was having a little scroll through Joanna's twitter and came across this from a regular in this parish. The thoughtful response of an intelligent professional.

twitter.com/moira_robin/status/1561129467279548416

If you want to know why people think she is transphobic, you can read her article here which does the whole “adult human female” schtick. She is what you would call gender critical, and everyone else, transphobic.

That's a bold claim. Could you identify what in Elaine Miller's article is "transphobic"?