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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8

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ickky · 19/05/2022 12:23

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

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nauticant · 20/05/2022 10:07

Good question from BC. GCC were assuming the messages in support of AB were a coordinated effort, but were aso assuming the message opposing AB were uncoordinated.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 10:07

AH's background screen doesn't cover his whole background 😂

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 10:08

JK: "I keep saying, I'm not on Twitter, so I took that at face value from someone"

SpindleInTheWind · 20/05/2022 10:08

I suspect they like to think that they are too important at GCC to wear things like headphones as that's what people in call centres and ghastly disc jockeys wear.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 10:09

"IT WAS 3.05 IN THE MORNING"

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 20/05/2022 10:09

OvaHere · 20/05/2022 10:04

Is JK dialling in from home or the workplace? It's a bit awkward to ask your neighbours to stop their home improvement because you're in a court case.

GCC, she's mentioned it several times.

PSA again for the value of noise suppressing software that is available across hundreds of devices and platforms. Krisp. Nvidia RTX Voice and others.

Noise cancelling software is a huge aid to general clarity of communication. Zoom even has readily accessible audio settings for everyday sound levels like the noise of typing, machine fans, dogs etc.

AlisonDonut · 20/05/2022 10:10

Barry Stir and the Phantom Foghorns.

Playing tonight at the Dublin Castle. Tickets £20 or £25 on the door.

Chuckling away to myself here. I knew i should have dialled in today.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 10:11

"I can't remember who told me that my email address had been given it out. I assumed it was by Allison"

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 10:11

I'm getting a bit angsty on my namesake's behalf. He has to leave for Mortlake in 80 minutes.

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 10:11

It’s not hard to work out the email format. I did that in two clicks.

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 10:11

Bingo card so far

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8
Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8
ickky · 20/05/2022 10:12

tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 10:11

It’s not hard to work out the email format. I did that in two clicks.

Exactly, I have done this a few times when needed.

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IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 10:13

"I can't remember - IT WAS 2 1/2 YEARS AGO"

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 10:13

Click the image for the full joy

Zeugma · 20/05/2022 10:14

‘Mr Hochhauser helpfully intervenes’ 😂

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 10:15

Sheer brilliance chilling

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/05/2022 10:15

Someone's signed in as Lt Daniel Kaffee.

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8
tabbycatstripy · 20/05/2022 10:15

Also so what if she gave out JK’s email address? It’s a work email, not a secret.

chilling19 · 20/05/2022 10:16

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/05/2022 10:15

Sheer brilliance chilling

Thank you. Might update as we go on. So any entries welcome 😄

nauticant · 20/05/2022 10:16

BC: AH helpfully directed me to your email (page 2214)

That's the email where JK said that the emails in support were triggered by AB giving out JK's email address. The problem with this is that JK has no evidence for this claim.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 10:16

She says she didn't and so JK is accusing her of lying.

malloo · 20/05/2022 10:17

Is BC sounding a bit rattled today? Not quite as calm as usual? Not sure what's been happening, just tuned in.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/05/2022 10:18

He keeps being interrupted - not only by counsel but by the witness.

He's also under huge time pressure to finish cos of murders and funerals.

nauticant · 20/05/2022 10:18

BC: JK's attitude to emails of support was that JK was predisposed to be dismissive of them because JK had decided they had been solicited by AB.

BenCooperisaGod · 20/05/2022 10:18

I haven't been sent the link. Booo.

Did i have to request it before the start of the tribunal?

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