Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 7

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

I loved BC's pause after MS's rant and then leaned in a bit said no more questions. 😅

Did MS really threaten BC?

Yes. But she didn't SAY it was a threat, so in her world her threat can't be called a threat.

Give it up, AH. We're still pumped from watching BC in action today.

AH is re-examining the cotton ceiling. Wouldn't have expected him to go there.

MS was not a good friend to Allison at all.

No. She was not.

God I am LOVING these barristers getting a taste of their own medicine.

If MS had been a 'good friend' to AB, she would have refused to have undertaken the bloody 'investigation' on the grounds of conflict of interest, surely?

There's a whole big chambers full of barristers to pick from.

What a crock.

Hoisted by their own petard...

Oh and now grumpy with EJ - how rude she is!

Why can't AH use tech properly? Infuriating!

Spindle - yes, I certainly wouldn't have taken it on. And if I was forced to, I would have done a much better job.

So hang on, sorry for being thick, AB's tweet referred to the workshop but she didn't attach workshop blurb screenshot so the tweet could be interpreted or misinterpreted more generally? Is that the point?

AH -bear in mind and look at original tweet, tweet 17; assume, extract included as part of tweet
MS - not included with tweet
AH - was not?
AH - what was put was that that was added to tweet
BC - wrong about that
MS- completely wrong,

AH - important point hope tribunal got

Anybody watching able to explain this exchange a bit more?

What was the 'threat' to Ben?

Planned Parenthood who dole out testosterone to 15 y/o girls without a doctor's note?

That Planned Parenthood??

Wow, I wouldn't have expected a QC to get so emotional whilst being questioned. That section was riveting!

Thanks everyone for the commentary BTW.
And thanks ickky for today's new thread.

Ahh, the Planned Parenthood Toronto explanation of the Workshop that explained Cotton Ceiling to be something innocuous was something that MS found herself by googling. It wasn't provided to her. In other words, she did an uncharacteristic careful examination to find Cotton Ceiling harmless, but then ignored any document contradicting that. What a stitch up.

Poor Allison, this person was a friend? I hope it's not making it fresh for her.

Some friends this bunch are - thankfully Allison now has JKR as a chum 😂

Thanks everyone for your commentary this morning.

I am aghast that such a highly educated intelligent woman cannot (or more likely, will not) see what is happening in front of her. I don't understand how she can deny any of this. And after apparently doing 'research' not come up with anything sensible.

Am watching now.

I think VestofAbsurdity the point was that AB's Cotton Ceiling tweet didn't have attached the summary of it that makes it look utterly awful and somehow this was highly helpful to GCC's case. But this isn't so because AB provided it later and it did support what AB had written in her tweet.

Maybe that fact she was a friend made her be more critical, to show she wasn't showing bias, unfortunately she went far far to far.

Planned Parenthood are as captured as ACLU are, aren't they? So wonder she didn't get what the workshop was about!

Ikky - I think she d I'd Alissa poor job basically, aided and abetted by GCC

I'm impressed that MS could find a page from planned parenthood on the cotton ceiling workshop with Morgan page because I'm on p 4 of my google results and there appears to be no reference to cotton ceiling from them at all