Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 5

[ickky]

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Jane Russell now

were you aware GCC didn;t renew mem
bership of DCS?

SSS - we would have had a meeting

No Manderley you were correct with the spelling, it's TT who have it wrong.

I'm following on TT but not watching- is SS really the same guy as on those Apprentice clips earlier?

It's Lucy Masoud

claimant dsecribes SW's scheme as a criminal protection racket

SSS - ridiculous, purely fiction . Everything that SW does is about positive inclusion

Yep. One and the same.

SSS saying that if a membership organisation chooses not to renew, then that's the end of the matter, and there are no adverse consequences. But Stonewall do issue critical statements as a result, and there's the rage that comes from Pink News and fellow travellers.

Is there a new thread yet?

SSS - No consequences to terminating scheme

GCC didn't adopt recommendations/sign up for WEI

JR - no comeback?

SSS - absolutely not

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Now we're into the prereleases and briefed element of SSS's evidence. He's being led like a lamb and suddenly he's fluent and confident and emphatic. His insistence that all SW exists for is good and that no strong-arm tactics are ever used seems a bit hollow: we've seen the emails. I'm not sure this is going to help them much.

Hurray for ickky!

'Prerelases' should have been 'prerehearsed'.

Of course they think it’s all happy clappy inclusion: they think anyone who doesn’t agree with that position is a disgusting bigot.

SSS finished.

Waiting for Shaan Knan.

That's SSS done. Knan hasn't yet arrived. Then there'll be set-up time. He was due to arrive 11-11.30.

Talk about moving onto Mr Menon. Which AH isn't keen on.

10 minute break waiting for Knan.

SSS's evidence has ended and Mr Knan had an appointment earlier this morning and may not arrive before 11.30am. Clearly not prioritising his tribunal appearance!

Breaking until 11.06 as next SW witness not there yet. ffs

Have you made a new thread ickky. I'm getting a bit angsty that we're nearing 1000 even though threads seem to be able to go higher now.

The time wasting from one party here is very blatant. Is there anything the judge can do about it if she’s minded to?

Do we reckon more autism or dyslexia or both? I wouldn't normally speculate on disabilities but as an autistic person I'm dismayed at how my fellow autists have been so influential in pushing this agenda.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Here @IdisagreeMrHochhauser

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

I would imagine dyslexia as coloured paper is required for the bundle.