Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 5

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Terfy McTerf-face, take a bow.

If AH can understand why some gay men reclaimed 'queer' then he can apply the same logic to 'terf'.

My god AH is grasping at invisible non-existent straws!
AH is saying that because AB used the term 'terf wars', that apparently shows that the term 'terf' can never be seen or used as an offensive term, no matter who uses it or when, where etc!
Utter nutter

Timeline is significant

Which is to say - an oppressed person can reclaim a slur used against them, but the oppressor using the term is still not okay.

Another failed gotcha by AH when he strays from legal argument and tries to speak in terms of gender identity.

If AH can understand why some gay men reclaimed 'queer' then he can apply the same logic to 'terf'.

Exactly - he contradicted/undermined his own point!!!!

Oh Allison is unfailingly polite!

JK Rowling has used it in the same way when she posted her essay.

Ah has finished!!!!

She is sheer class, isn’t she?

AH coming across as somewhat misogynistic in his attitude to women. Not a good look for a barrister.

AH has finished his cross exam of AB.

What was that wee smile AH and AB shared there?

5 minutes of Ben!

'Thank you Mr Hochhouser it's been a pleasure.' LOL

Oh thank goodness AH is finished will IO have questions?

Imagine if the person responsible for those shambolic bundles wrote a book on, say, an area of the law. I expect it would be a very shit book indeed.

Bit of mutual respect I think.

I think he has a lot of respect for Allison. Who wouldn't?

It could have page numbers randomly assigned at printing.

And words in no particular order.

No. She did hers at the beginning.

I'm so impressed by Allison's grace under pressure. To thank AH and say ' it's been a pleasure' is pure class. I want to be like her when I grow up!

He respects her hugely. He can't hide it beneath his CE persons.

Cross examination *persona

Grrr autocorrect.

More bundle problems.