Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 5

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

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EJ not best pleased at the suggestion from AH that she cannot count.

It could have page numbers randomly assigned at printing.
And words in no particular order.

And remember that words have no meaning, they mean whatever gender ideology proponents want them to mean at any given point in time.

Bound with blue-tack, mashed potato and sudocrem, with an index in interpretive dance.

Getting BC to read out the GC email is going well, he's reading it in the most unsympathetic voice he can.

Also clocked the smile from AB and AH. It made me a little emosh. There's a real sense of solidarity there.

Allison is done!

Congratulations Allison and thank you so bloody much. I have the biggest crush, she really is awe inspiring. What an intense couple of days, I sincerely hope she has fizz and chocolates ready to go!

Am really looking forward to watching Ben question the upcoming witnesses.

Break till 11.30

😂

Quite. I could envisage such a book being so badly put together that some passages were repeated verbatim in different chapters!
The legal world is small, gossipy and reputation is everything. Whoever is responsible for the bundles has damaged their reputation quite significantly.

The bundle(s) have been well and truly 'queered'

Allison is so cool, calm and collected. I think her explanation for the use of Terfy McTerf-face as a reclaiming of the word in defiance in contrary to its use as an insult from Stonewall was excellent.

Deconstructing essentialist bundles for a more progressive society.

A question for those with legal knowledge:

Allison said she had ‘been embargoed for two weeks’ and asked if she might have 10-15 mins with her legal team.

What does that mean? Does that mean she hasn’t been able to speak to her legal team for two weeks in any capacity? In a limited capacity? In relation to the cross examination?

My legal knowledge is basically LA Law and Ally McBeal so that seems quite wrong to me.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed light on this.

Allison, you are a class act. Such fortitude, stamina, fierce intellect, passion.
She's had to fight all her life, for her health, her career, to overcome childhood trauma. I cannot thank her enough.

They are the Judith Butler of bundles

AB has an absolutely fantastic voice. Very pleasant to listen to but commanding and authoritative at the same time.

I also saw AH's big grin at "It's been a pleasure." I don't love his tactics, but it was very nice to see that there was a lot of respect under the dismissive and condescending persona.

God this quoting function uselessness is getting on my tits. That was very funny @SpindleInTheWind

She’s his client so why on Earth would he give her a red bag? That’s for a junior in a case, even if the client happens to be a lawyer too.
also, of course he won’t use her as a junior, seeing as they practice in totally different areas of law.
honestly, some stuff on here smh. Especially the hero-worshipping of her lawyer when he could just as well be acting for the employer, as lawyers don’t do cases based on whether they agree with their clients.

And when not repeated verbatim, absolute contradictions from one chapter to the next.

Actually, that describes the Labour Party manifesto for the 1982, 1987 and probably 1992 General Elections (I am quite serious). It took New Labour to make it coherent and then they started winning. Perhaps the current party members should have a history lesson.

Possibly he could just give her a competently made bundle. At this point that would be quite a novelty.

Sorrynotsorryyeah you alright hun?

A person cannot speak to their legal team when under oath giving evidence. AB’s evidence has been going on for several days so she won’t have been able to speak to her lawyers during this time.

Thank you Ickky for the new thread.