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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish census decision

244 replies

IsitM · 17/02/2022 14:26

"The Scottish Court of Session has ruled in favour of the Scottish Government in the judicial review of guidance to accompany "the sex question” in the 2022 Scottish census

We are disappointed with the judgment and will be requesting an urgent appeal"

From FPFW

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1494315619877109781?s=20&t=3b061zOq4q3XIBtz7MWV5A

OP posts:
littlbrowndog · 19/02/2022 22:06

For all women in Scotland

ScrollingLeaves · 19/02/2022 22:27

33%
1/3rd

MiladyBerserko · 19/02/2022 23:42

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2102897c-9193-11ec-8038-2fedb801d1cc?shareToken=bcd64bd5facc8fe1d28ab5a2b6bda090

Not sure if this one has been posted

ScrollingLeaves · 20/02/2022 09:15

38%

jellyfrizz · 20/02/2022 09:37

@Brefugee

I am very confused by the desire for there to be only one category - and that if you identify as a woman you tick that. But if you're a transwoman, that surely can't be in your best interests? How can you target funds for transwomen if you don't know how many there are?

Same with crime stats. We hear that trans identified people are murdered at a rate of knots then we hear that actually, no they aren't (since 2012? can't remember when the last one was - be clear one is one too many, but the same goes for all murders) and then we can't tell anyway because they have been logged as women (or men for transmen)

I am finding it very difficult to wrap my head around.
Why not have a box for sex one for gender and have done with it? what am i missing?

I don’t understand this either. So much of trans ideology erases trans people.
Datun · 20/02/2022 10:28

I don’t understand this either. So much of trans ideology erases trans people.

It's because the activists, the campaigners, the ones changing the laws are only interested in erasing women.

The campaigns are always about women. Their spaces, their positions, their awards, their quotas. Even their very name.

They are to be disappeared. And everything that they fought for is not just taken away, it's being re-purposed as male validation.

As Shon Fay said 'I'm a woman because I say I am, sorry you've lost, even the law says so - enjoy your erasure.'

No.

Artichokeleaves · 20/02/2022 11:09

^^ What Datun said

Notice: the absolute refusal to hear female voices and issues and needs

The absolute rage at any suggestion of 'win/win' solutions, compromises, reciprocal understanding and 'kindness' that might make this work.

Male prisoners in women's prisons offered separate shower times - rage, refusal, lawyers involved, the women's interests had to be crushed and conquered or it wasn't ok.

Male prisoners too dangerous to go into jails offered a specially set up unit to allow them to be on a female site - rage, refusal, lawyers involved, women's interests (and safety) had to be crushed and conquered or it wasn't ok.

Third spaces - rage, refusal, etc etc etc

Hamstead Ponds - one mixed sex pond there, there could have been compromises about times of the women's pool etc to ensure all females had access as well as males, but no, rage, refusal, etc (and conquered, now some females have no access and male people can choose from the three they own) .

Brighton Rape Crisis - three separate choosy choices for male service users, one mixed sex for women, could they compromise and set up just ONE little female only group for the excluded rape victims with no help at all compared to males' three different choices? In another building? In another part of the town? Under cover of bloody night ffs? No. Rage, refusal, only conquering and owning all services and forcing out female people will do.

This is so not about TQ+ inclusion.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 20/02/2022 11:12

As Shon Fay said 'I'm a woman because I say I am, sorry you've lost, even the law says so - enjoy your erasure.'

Oddly enough, in the British Library Unfinished Business exhibition about women, the cabinet of hagiography had a section dedicated to Shon Faye, complete with the GRC. They somehow didn't include that remark.

FPFW · 20/02/2022 11:13

Hi Everyone - Nic Williams here from Fair Play For Women. Just wanted to say thanks for your incredible support. We will be back in court in 3 days time to win on appeal. We remain confident, especially after FWS's win on appeal. All the details on our website. Keep on digging!

Artichokeleaves · 20/02/2022 11:15

I'm afraid I'd comment to Fay that saying things does not make them true, and does not compel others to comply. As Willoughby memorably commented, even forcing people to say what you want to hear does not successfully make them believe and enact it.

And bad law just should not be followed. There cannot be taxation without representation. And I'm increasingly starting to foresee that we are going to come to that, unless politicians begin to find some backbone.

Artichokeleaves · 20/02/2022 11:15

Bravo Nic! Flowers Wine

Everything crossed for you, you and your team are amazing and a continuing ray of hope.

Justkeeppedaling · 20/02/2022 11:16

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude

Based on a quick scan the judge seems to be saying that there is no clear legal rule that the word sex means only biological sex. Therefore, it is not a breach of the 1920 Act to contemplate that sex may encompass gender identity.

This is not a detailed review and his position may be more nuanced.

Well there's no clear rule that any word means what we think it does ffs.
How do we really know cat means cat?
We rely on thousands of years of usage, and dictionaries, to know what cat, and sex mean. We don't need laws to define the meaning of all our words.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/02/2022 11:16

Go Nic and FPFW Thanks you have so much support

Datun · 20/02/2022 11:23

@FPFW

Hi Everyone - Nic Williams here from Fair Play For Women. Just wanted to say thanks for your incredible support. We will be back in court in 3 days time to win on appeal. We remain confident, especially after FWS's win on appeal. All the details on our website. Keep on digging!
We're right behind you, Nic.

Digging For Victory.

Brilliantly put @GibbonsGoatsGibbons !

Cismyfatarse · 20/02/2022 15:44

@FPFW Keep fighting. You are doing an absolutely amazing job and you have the voices and hearts of many, many women behind you.

Over600Ecalypts · 20/02/2022 16:26

I've been digging! Wishing you every success for the appeal! You have a lot of support for this.

jhuizinga · 20/02/2022 16:40

Have done a bit of gardening. Very pleased to see the carrot harvest is now almost half-way there!

crosstalk · 20/02/2022 17:32

link to contribution page please

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 20/02/2022 17:33

@crosstalk

link to contribution page please
Not within T&C but search for

Reclaim the definition of "sex" in Scotland
by Fair Play For Women in London, Greater London, United Kingdom

InvisibleDragon · 20/02/2022 18:10

So close to 50% funded now!

ScrollingLeaves · 20/02/2022 18:56

50% now (just over)

Whereareyourshoes · 20/02/2022 21:08

Donated with gratitude.

Datun · 20/02/2022 22:36

Bumping for the night owls

GibbonsGoatsGibbons · 20/02/2022 23:13

Not sure I could take credit for "Dig for Victory" Datun Grin

Thank you @FPFW thank you so much

53% & climbing 💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻

NonnyMouse1337 · 21/02/2022 06:44

@FPFW

Hi Everyone - Nic Williams here from Fair Play For Women. Just wanted to say thanks for your incredible support. We will be back in court in 3 days time to win on appeal. We remain confident, especially after FWS's win on appeal. All the details on our website. Keep on digging!
Thank you so much for doing this. ♥️♥️♥️