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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oh sod off David Lammy!

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deadleaves · 28/09/2021 10:18

labourlist.org/2021/09/anti-trans-members-are-dinosaurs-who-want-to-hoard-rights-says-lammy/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Its hard to describe how angry this article made me. I am sick to the back teeth of the lies and slurs being told about women who want to protect absolutely basic rights and safeguarding.

Dinosaurs who want to 'hoard' rights. That's the contempt that the Labour party has for women in prisons who are assaulted and intimidated by the males they are now being housed with. Dinosaurs who want to hoard rights are traumatised women who are too scared to access refuges that males might be in. Dinosaurs who want to hoard rights are women athletes who reject being told to 'be kind' and hand over what they have worked their hold life for, to males who have an inbuilt biological advantage.

Women really aren't entitled to anything but insults when they try to speak up for themselves in the Labour party. Ironic really that we are called Dinosaurs when the Labour party is clearly reverting to its unionist roots when unions wanted to keep women in their place to protect male members advantage.

But most disgusting is the utterly unself-aware and hypocritical way Lammy advocates for positive discrimination for black men, a group of people he can understand face disadvantage (being one), so he wants to increase HIS social groups rights rights whilst gleefully not only removing women's basic rights but throwing insults at us for objecting to this.

That's it. Not only will I not vote for Labour again but I am going to become an active campaigner against them. They are beyond disgusting in their utter misogyny.

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AlfonsoTheDinosaur · 29/09/2021 09:21

Not only does Lammy not know the difference between dinosaurs and dragons, he thought the colour of smoke in papal elections related to the successful candidate's skin colour. (White = we have chosen a candidate; black = we still haven't chosen a candidate)

Yoursaintlyglowofconcern · 29/09/2021 09:22

Oh dear he’s just been asked ‘the question’ by Ferrari on LBC and he said a trans woman can have a cervix after surgery and hormones but not ovaries. He’s very mixed up.

Some people don’t even understand the grammar of the question let alone what it actually means. The question is: is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? Not: do all women have a cervix?

Ghostsintheshelf · 29/09/2021 09:23

m.youtube.com/watch?v=wWKf15CnStk&feature=youtu.be

From 1.40ish

TabbyStar · 29/09/2021 09:24

It shows their true colours when put under pressure - don't give a shit about women or don't believe we are vulnerable - is that just the circles he moves in? It's so arrogant that all these men think they can just give women's rights away.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/09/2021 09:28

Fuck all the way off David.

ScumbagDave · 29/09/2021 09:33

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Fuck all the way off David.
This^^

Massively fuck off.

I am a lifelong supporter of the Labour Party, but I'm with you op. I will 100% do everything I can to campaign against them. Even if it means 🤢 supporting the Tories. Never thought I would and yet, here we are!

EdgeOfACoin · 29/09/2021 09:33

@Yoursaintlyglowofconcern

Oh dear he’s just been asked ‘the question’ by Ferrari on LBC and he said a trans woman can have a cervix after surgery and hormones but not ovaries. He’s very mixed up.

Some people don’t even understand the grammar of the question let alone what it actually means. The question is: is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix? Not: do all women have a cervix?

So, he doesn't know what a cervix is, basically.
Janeaustensquill · 29/09/2021 09:33

Heard him on LBC. When Ferrari asked if it was transphobic to say only women have cervices he said - some transwomen would have them!! No mention of trans men who do actually have them. Although they only have them because they are women I can understand why they might like to be included in the group of “cervix havers” . I don’t know whether Lammy even knows what a cervix is.
Apart from the fact that 85% of trans women keep their penis, those who have surgery to create a neo vagina surely don’t have anything even supposed to be a cervix. What would be the point?

WhereYouLeftIt · 29/09/2021 09:34

@GrimDamnFanjo

Crikey he is shouting on R4 now!!!
Came on to see who else heard this. He really lost his shit there! Shouting over Robinson, who did well to repeat the question 'who do you mean by 'dinosaurs' several times. Not that he answered, of course.

The uncharitable thought that this was performance losing his shit to avoid answering the question did cross my mind, but why would he do that when he can just follow the well trod path of answering a question not asked? So I had to conclude that he actually lost his shit and got all shouty and petulant on live national radio. What a tool.

SirSamuelVimes · 29/09/2021 09:35

Sky News have Lammy getting arsey about being asked questions on trans issues. He says it doesn't come up on the doorstep. It fucking well does on my doorstep!! And they ran away!

334bu · 29/09/2021 09:36

Wow he really does not want to discuss this. Interesting point about suicide attempts stats, I see that the number has gone down, now it is" 1 in 4"

foxgoosefinch · 29/09/2021 09:37

He also has form for putting in multiple/repeat FOI requests at educational institutions, charities etc. That in itself is no problem as people have a right to, of course; but they also create a lot of extra work, especially if the information is already publicly available.

SirSamuelVimes · 29/09/2021 09:37

Maybe we should add "what is a cervix" to the "what is a woman" question. Because I don't think politicians such as Lammy know the answer to either.

LoislovesStewie · 29/09/2021 09:37

@Jaysmith71

As an Anglo-Saxon peasant, I am also the descendant of slaves.
You and me both. Why does this have to be a race to the bottom? Can we not agree that there are vast inequalities in society and that measures should be in place to counteract that, but not turn the whole thing into a scrum? Why can Mr Lammy not see that?
Thelnebriati · 29/09/2021 09:37

The irony of this being the next video YouTube offered - Lammy talking about VAW and the right to protest;

"By giving the police the discretion to use these powers some of the time, it takes away our freedoms all of the time."

Come on Lammy, you were so close to getting it.

Dragongirl10 · 29/09/2021 09:38

Its very simple, women need to powerfully, and with every method available fight the eroding of our rights,.
We need to stop being sad (and nice, and reasonable) and start being angry and loud about it.

RebeccaCloud9 · 29/09/2021 09:38

What he doesn't seem to realise is that transgender rights is a unique issue: giving equal marriage rights etc to gay people doesn't harm or put straight people at risk or endanger their protections or rights. Ending racism doesn't harm or put white people at risk or endanger their protections/rights. But certain 'trans rights' eg in sport, single sex protected spaces etc MASSIVELY puts women at risk and simultaneously erodes fought-for women's rights and protections.

Dozer · 29/09/2021 09:39

On dragons and hoarding, recommend Malcolm Gladwell’s Revisionist History podcast about museums hoarding ridiculous amounts of stuff!

Whereareyourshoes · 29/09/2021 09:43

How does someone know if they have a cervix or not? Should they contact the Labour Party to find out?

Rainbowshit · 29/09/2021 09:44

So given Lammy thinks transwomen have vagjnas and a cervix will we now be rebranded bodies with ovaries? 🤔

FightingtheFoo · 29/09/2021 09:47

@Dragongirl10

Its very simple, women need to powerfully, and with every method available fight the eroding of our rights,. We need to stop being sad (and nice, and reasonable) and start being angry and loud about it.
Could not agree with this more.

Fuck being nice. Time for men to be nice. And women to get angry.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/09/2021 09:48

this man who went to Harvard & Cambridge doesn’t know what a cervix is??

Fucking hell! So many men haven’t a clue have they

FightingtheFoo · 29/09/2021 09:49

@Jaysmith71

As an Anglo-Saxon peasant, I am also the descendant of slaves.
Eastern European Jew here. Same. Jews were slaves in Egypt and the Russian empire also had slaves.
Fitt · 29/09/2021 09:51

Wow that recording! A real meltdown.

Lying, shouting, more lying, more shouting.

He can go to hell.

Thelnebriati · 29/09/2021 09:54

Mens squeamishness about women's bodies brought us to this point imo.