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FindTheTruth · 10/08/2021 17:42

Thread for GP latest news and receipts: Green Party members who either troll or stand up for women

Elections and conference | sex-based rights
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4302663-Green-Party-Elections-GC-candidates
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4184551-Green-Party-conference
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4019074-Green-Party-elections
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4040511-Green-Party-Women-need-your-help-TODAY
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3574663-aibu-the-green-party

Prostitution
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/4316412-Green-party-policy-prostitution-and-porn

Green Party women coup | At least 40 women quit the Green Party | Bristow quits
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4158615-Dozens-quit-Green-Party-Daily-Mail
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4281974-green-party-women-coup
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4055247-Green-Party-Women-face-take-over-bid
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4297177-Green-Party-leader-quits-over-trans-rights

Challenor | Green Party statement | whistleblower
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3536289-Green-Party-statement
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3439128-Green-Party-Whistleblower-Challenor-related

Numbered threads
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3357564-Green-Party-4
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3351201-Green-Party-thread-3

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GreenandCommon · 17/08/2021 10:37

Well not as much as you think if my info is correct. Carla Denyer is fairly mantra but open to dialogue rather than suspending people for having different views, is what I gathered.

I was told vote Denyer and Ramsay to keep Womack out and Tina and Martin are great but don't have a hope.

Then this morning I looked at Bright Green, always good for finding out what identity ideologues think, and Rosi Sexton backs D and R...

At least the voting system allows you to blend your heart with your head. That sounds messy. I mean your first pref can be what you feel and the others more practical.

mollythemeerkat · 17/08/2021 12:41

Interesting, thanks for the link Green. I see Shahrah Ali hasnt decided whether to stand. My response to candidates saying their main issue is to get more Greens elected is the same it has always been: To get more Greens elected, people need to know what you are being elected FOR. Will you seriously prioritise the climate emergency or will you disappear up your own arses yet again.

FindTheTruth · 17/08/2021 15:21

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Shahrar Ali @ShahrarAli
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REALITY CHECK: Shahrar Ali standing for Leader of @TheGreenParty to prioritise

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FindTheTruth · 17/08/2021 15:26

REALITY CHECK: SHAHRAR ALI ENTERS GREEN PARTY LEADERSHIP BY-ELECTION
“We need a reality check and political course correction – for the sake of the planet, for the sake of human rights and for the sake of how we do politics.”
• Campaigning on a pledge to prioritise climate and ecological emergency
• Pledge to champion mature debate in politics and reach out to politically homeless women & ex-Labour
• Seeking support of Green Party members to become first BME leader of a UK Parliamentary party
• Shahrar received 24% of first preference votes in Leadership contest in 2020

Climate Reality Check
“I’ve been political for as long as I can remember. As a child, when I’ve asked my parents why people in faraway lands fought with one another it must have been out of incredulity that a planet, which bore such riches, could be cause for any kind of disharmony. Why didn’t people just get on? Though older and wiser about widespread inequality, this question still bugs me today – whether in awe of the mechanics of our planetary ecosystem or fascinated by human nature and motivation.

“I’m standing through necessity. We are the last generation able to save the planet from ourselves. Despite decades of knowing that we were living unsustainably, we carry on trying to have our cake and eat it – with a return to post-Covid short-haul flights and overconsumption. Millennia of technological advancement and unabated pursuit of desires have led to our standing on the edge of an abyss – collectively responsible for countless species extinctions, ecological devastation and now the prospect of universal death.

“After my active involvement for nearly two decades, I don’t think we have achieved enough. Yes, we’ve enjoyed record local election results – but one MP and influence in just a handful councils is snail’s pace compared to the political transformation we require. With environmental consciousness and extreme weather calamities at an all-time high, we should be polling double-digit figures.

Debating Reality Check
“When I joined, in 2002, Green Party conference felt like a university of ideas – where we could debate one another in good faith and still indulge in a round of drinks and laugh together. Today, we have become fractious and risk losing our sense of collective purpose (and humour).

“This conflict is evident in discussion of provision of services for transgender people and those who feel impacted by changes to services provided on same-sex lines, especially women. We must return to a culture of open debate, where the taking of offence is not used as a means to prevent those who do wish to debate from doing so.

“Party unity will not come from wishfully brushing problems under the carpet, or sitting on the fence while bullies continue their lies and intimidation, but from tackling challenges head on – and having those difficult conversations.

“You need a leader not afraid to question, and to actively take a stand against, the abuse directed upon women – many of whom have been driven to resign from parties and others of whom are resisting from within. I will not stand by as a novelist receives rape and death threats for publishing a thought piece. I understand that a rape victim has the right to choose to be examined by a clinician of her sex as a matter of basic human dignity.

“I will defend and champion all the protected characteristics enshrined in the Equality Act 2010. This includes the sex-based rights of women and girls, some 52% of the population; a population we can see being persecuted in Afghanistan today.

“We must welcome women back to our party, many of whom are feeling politically homeless. No campaign for mass social and political transformation has ever succeeded without them. There will be no human rights for all if we do not succeed in averting universal death from the climate crisis we face.

“We need a reality check and political course correction – for the sake of the planet, for the sake of human rights and for the sake of how we do politics.”

Short biography:
• Deputy Leader 2014-16
• Author of two popular books in Green politics, 2010 and 2015 (www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/why-vote-green-2015)
• Founding signatory of Extinction Rebellion: www.theguardian.com/.../facts-about-our....
• Spokesperson for Policing & Domestic Safety
• Four degrees, including engineering and philosophy PhD
#WelcomeWomenBack Join here join.greenparty.org.uk by 27 Aug to Vote for the next Leader of the Green Party.
ENDS

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Betty91 · 17/08/2021 18:36

I just read Shahrar Ali thread on Twitter - how incredible to read someone actually say all that explicitly. I've never voted Greens but if he was leader I would think about it.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 17/08/2021 18:49

@Betty91

I just read Shahrar Ali thread on Twitter - how incredible to read someone actually say all that explicitly. I've never voted Greens but if he was leader I would think about it.
If he was leader I’d probably vote for them.
mollythemeerkat · 17/08/2021 19:17

Shahrar Ali is probably the best hope the Green Party has - wonder who his co-leadership candidate would be.

FindTheTruth · 17/08/2021 19:35

Do they have to have co-leadership?

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ArabellaScott · 17/08/2021 19:55

Shahrar Ali is fab.

LastSummerHere · 17/08/2021 20:08

Sanity at last.

Jaysmith71 · 17/08/2021 20:12

Sanity and the GPEW make uneasy bedfellows. Since 1989 when they polled 20%, they have never missed an opprtunity to miss an opportunity. They are at best a pressure-group that dresses up and identifies as a political party.

SmallPug · 17/08/2021 20:27

I'm wondering whether it's worth joining and voting for Shahrar? I would love to find a political party I could get on board with.

BlackForestCake · 17/08/2021 20:40

I do wonder, in conspiracy theory terms, if XR isn't actually a CIA front organisation

It does look like one. It comes across as a Daily Mail reader's idea of what a radical organisation is like.

Jaysmith71 · 17/08/2021 20:44

If you are a female member of XR, I'd stay well away from the short-haired blokes with big flat feet and a tanline under where their copper's helmet sits.

mollythemeerkat · 17/08/2021 20:46

@FindTheTruth

Do they have to have co-leadership?
I`ve just pulled this out of the constitution as thought it was the preferred model ever since Lucas and Bartley, but it seems one leader can still be appointed. *v) Two members of opposite sexes may together stand for the office of Leader in order to hold the post as a job share. The post of Deputy Leader may not be held as a job share. In the event of the election of two people job sharing the Leader post, they shall be known as 'Co- Leaders', no election for Deputy Leader shall take place, and the duties, responsibilities and votes of both posts will be held by the Co- Leaders. Members standing to be Co-Leaders may not simultaneously be candidates as individuals for either Leader or Deputy Leader.*
TheGoogleMum · 17/08/2021 21:54

@SmallPug I've just done that. I'll happily stay if he wins! If someone who doesn't know what a woman is wins I will leave again swiftly

FindTheTruth · 18/08/2021 05:18

Thanks @mollythemeerkat so Shahrar Ali is standing as leader alone.

@TheGoogleMum I wonder how many people will join or rejoin GP to vote for Shahrar Ali like you.

Labour had a rule that prevented new members voting didn't they? different rules for GP?

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FindTheTruth · 18/08/2021 05:27

@Betty91 yes it shouldn't be incredible, but yet it IS incredible to hear anyone politics describing what is actually happening in clear terms.

How refreshing to hear explicit terms from a politician, like "“I will defend and champion all the protected characteristics enshrined in the Equality Act 2010. This includes the sex-based rights of women and girls" and "reach out to politically homeless women" and "services provided on same-sex lines, especially women"

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WarriorN · 18/08/2021 07:11

Joining thread, this is good news!

I have to say, for anyone joining, the people I've met/ know in the greens locally are all v sensible and many are in the sciences / academia. And also GC.

FindTheTruth · 18/08/2021 07:24

Good to know Warrior. Sarah Phillimore @SVPhillimore seems happy too "This is excellent news - not only for the large numbers of women now politically homeless, but for those of us facing disciplinary action for expressing the opinion that women have rights."

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FindTheTruth · 18/08/2021 07:27

More women saying they'll vote Green if SA is elected

@STILLTish "If he gets elected I will likely vote Green. I have voted Labour all my life but I won’t vote against my own interests again"

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TabbyStar · 18/08/2021 07:50

I'm wondering whether it's worth joining and voting for Shahrar? I would love to find a political party I could get on board with

Yes, please do!

Two members of opposite sexes may together stand for the office of Leader in order to hold the post as a job share

Interesting - opposite sexes - that rules out Tamsin and Amelia then

SmallPug · 18/08/2021 09:02

I've joined!