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Green Party 5

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FindTheTruth · 10/08/2021 17:42

Thread for GP latest news and receipts: Green Party members who either troll or stand up for women

Elections and conference | sex-based rights
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4302663-Green-Party-Elections-GC-candidates
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4184551-Green-Party-conference
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4019074-Green-Party-elections
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4040511-Green-Party-Women-need-your-help-TODAY
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3574663-aibu-the-green-party

Prostitution
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminism/4316412-Green-party-policy-prostitution-and-porn

Green Party women coup | At least 40 women quit the Green Party | Bristow quits
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4158615-Dozens-quit-Green-Party-Daily-Mail
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4281974-green-party-women-coup
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4055247-Green-Party-Women-face-take-over-bid
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4297177-Green-Party-leader-quits-over-trans-rights

Challenor | Green Party statement | whistleblower
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3536289-Green-Party-statement
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3439128-Green-Party-Whistleblower-Challenor-related

Numbered threads
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3357564-Green-Party-4
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3351201-Green-Party-thread-3

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IS0D0RA · 13/08/2021 05:56

What is that supposed to be? I've never seen you construct an argument, much less 'debunk' anything

@StrangeLookingParasite - you are forgetting that @PumpkinSpiceWoman frequently says LOL. That’s pretty incisive.

OhHolyJesus · 13/08/2021 07:13

Speaking of inclusivity, the Facebook comments on the Guardian includes criticism.

www.facebook.com/10513336322/posts/10160465588911323/

LastSummerHere · 13/08/2021 07:27

Your "GC" propaganda has been debunked soooo often, and yet you still try to sap everyone's energy.

Exactly how has the FACT that there are two sexes which are immutable been debunked? Are you stupid?

Abhannmor · 13/08/2021 07:36

Lol! The party whose mission is to save the planet from ecological disaster has been taken over by unhinged fanatics , misogynists and homophobes! What a hoot! ROFL ! Hmm

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 13/08/2021 08:06

For climate change it's "follow the science". For human biology "don't follow the science".

Ridiculous.

DdraigGoch · 13/08/2021 08:24

Question have England and Scotlands Green Parties in real life actually done anything to affect climate change?

Well they manage to produce a lot of hot air. Brighton Council are causing plenty of damage.

Tammer · 13/08/2021 10:24

Are you aware that Kathryn Bristow plans to take the party to court over 'transphobia' because fae publicly stated fae would lie on the census (breaking the law) and then encouraged others to lie as well. But you think GC women are "attacking the party" Who? How? All I see is women leaving the party....

Tammer · 13/08/2021 10:28

Im new here so not sure how it all works but I just want to say THANK YOU amazing women sharing important info, doing brilliant research and having intelligent conversations- should have joined ages ago!!

FindTheTruth · 13/08/2021 10:51

[quote OhHolyJesus]Speaking of inclusivity, the Facebook comments on the Guardian includes criticism.

www.facebook.com/10513336322/posts/10160465588911323/[/quote]
Facebook comment

"Rebekah Wershbale
Does this mean they're putting the sanctimonious enby girls in charge?
Well, having Aimee Challoner as an intersectional spokesperson was a sound idea. What else could possibly go wrong?"

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FindTheTruth · 13/08/2021 11:15

I feel foreboding as we face the possibility of irreversible tipping points, know that our planet Earth is warmer than it’s been in 125,000 years, see extreme events like wildfires, see dystopian fire scenes in Greece, know the earth’s surface warming is projected to reach 1.5C by 2040, know that drastic reductions in CO2 would be needed this decade and net zero emissions by 2050 for vulnerable communities and eco-systems to survive, Methane levels higher than the past 800,000 years,

I feel hope that nations can still prevent the worst impacts

But then.... The Green Party, The Labour Party, Scottish Greens ... have gone into the 'upside down'. It's almost as if it were 'by design' to ensure humans don’t act and the situation is going to get really bad

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thinkingaboutLangCleg · 13/08/2021 18:22

Amelia Womack, who silenced a whistleblower who tried to expose a child rapist in the party, is to run for Green Party leader. She'll run with a 'trans & non-binary' activist, after the previous leader quit in protest when a member said a woman is 'female' "

You couldn’t make it up, but it breaks my heart. Having this travesty of a Green party is worse than having no green party, when at least environmentalists might set one up. As it is, they are tainting the public perception of environmentalism with their misogyny and anti-science woo.

mollythemeerkat · 13/08/2021 20:14

Langcleg - it is indeed extremely depressing. Having spent a lot of hours canvassing and leafletting for the Green Party - I dont feel I can support them in their latest re-incarnation. They`re hoping to get the youth vote and arent willing to look at what they are doing to women.

Waitwhat23 · 13/08/2021 20:19

Thought this was an interesting article - unherd.com/thepost/green-party-chooses-trans-over-trees/

OhHolyJesus · 14/08/2021 10:42

[quote Waitwhat23]Thought this was an interesting article - unherd.com/thepost/green-party-chooses-trans-over-trees/[/quote]
Very interesting and accurate I would say.

DdraigGoch · 14/08/2021 10:49

I'm beginning to think that GPEW, SGP and XR are just fronts for the oil industry. They seem to be doing their utmost to distract from the state of the planet.

GreenandCommon · 16/08/2021 13:37

inews.co.uk/news/politics/green-party-leadership-election-candidates-interview-mps-plans-voters-1149473

"The Green Party leadership candidates who want 10 MPs in 10 years – and think voters are ripe for the picking
Interview"

SmokedDuck · 16/08/2021 14:14

I was involved in the Green Party here in Canada for a while, though I eventually had to leave because they completely succumbed to CT, but I noticed quite an interesting progression there.

For many years, it was clearly focused on environmental issues, and also had the interesting element of drawing from both the political right and left in their policy thinking. They brought quite a few people together around environmental policy who came from different parts of the political spectrum, and early on some of the best legislation around environmental issues we had was from the Conservative Party.

Over the years though they really focused on getting more and more people elected, and appealing to voters, which was natural. But it seemed to mean targeting a more specific demographic, basically progressive people who wanted typical policies like universal childcare, legal prostitution, and appealing more and more to identity politics thinking.

What I found interesting is that this has been successful to some extent at giving them more votes, if not more MPs. But I think there is a real limit on the appeal, they've now pigenholed themselves and associated their environmental concerns strongly with a very specific political ideology that many will never be on board with.

Abhannmor · 16/08/2021 14:23

@SmokedDuck It's more difficult for the GPEW under the first past the post system . Here in Ireland we have PR. Greens have been in coalition government but didn't cover themselves in glory. In fairness since the Recession its been rough all round.

LastSummerHere · 16/08/2021 14:38

@mollythemeerkat

Langcleg - it is indeed extremely depressing. Having spent a lot of hours canvassing and leafletting for the Green Party - I dont feel I can support them in their latest re-incarnation. They`re hoping to get the youth vote and arent willing to look at what they are doing to women.

Come back David Icke, all is forgiven!

SmokedDuck · 16/08/2021 14:46

[quote Abhannmor]@SmokedDuck It's more difficult for the GPEW under the first past the post system . Here in Ireland we have PR. Greens have been in coalition government but didn't cover themselves in glory. In fairness since the Recession its been rough all round.[/quote]
Yes, though I am not convinced anymore that this is actually a problematic element of FPTP.

Reading back I can see I didn't really include the point that I intended to originally, which was that while their goal seems to be to appeal more so they will get more votes in individual ridings, and while that seems to some extent to have been successful, I suspect there is an illusory element as they have cut themselves off from a wider appeal. Particularly outside of cities, and one thing I've noticed with Green Party members from cities is that they often have a limited grasp of areas like agriculture and rural development.

GreenandCommon · 16/08/2021 15:21

I didn't have time to quote earlier but I enjoyed this contribution:
Womack added: “As the Green Party, we support trans liberation and there are a small amount of voices that move away from that and I think this is our chance to ensure that we galvanise people and to listen and learn.”

A small amount of voices because you get suspended if you say anything; a vote for us means you WILL listen and learn

FindTheTruth · 16/08/2021 15:27

[quote Waitwhat23]Thought this was an interesting article - unherd.com/thepost/green-party-chooses-trans-over-trees/[/quote]
Exchange between Ruth Wishart and Mhairi Black
twitter.com/ruth_wishart/status/1427192882495205377

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GreenandCommon · 16/08/2021 22:13

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/16/green-party-former-deputy-leader-and-bristol-councillor-make-leadership-bid

Carla Denyer, former candidate for Bristol West, and Norwich councillor Adrian Ramsey announce joint ticket

FindTheTruth · 17/08/2021 08:19

Denyer and Ramsay seem promising; focused on green issues, delivered results and 'respect lived experience'.

contrast that with Berry and Bristow; ignore green issues, deliver no results and all 'me me me' ignoring sex-based lived experience

is there hope?

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