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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Photos from London's Trans Pride march

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Imnobody4 · 26/06/2021 16:10

twitter.com/BevJacksonAuth/status/1408797242878840833?s=09
I think this will cause all decent Trans people shame rather than pride.

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Tinysalmonswimminginastream · 27/06/2021 21:25

Imagine what would happen if Mermaids did this? If they came out and said we abhor these attacks on JK Rowling and we are using our prominent position to ask that they stop.

They would never do this.

Not necessarily because they condone death threats towards JKR, but because they know that if they did speak out against them they would get a truckload of shit flung at them and this would make trans ideology look even worse than it already does.

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 28/06/2021 19:32

Some interesting receipts turning up on Twitter:

mobile.twitter.com/artofhunger75/status/1409512958951055365

mobile.twitter.com/CroneInAMillion/status/1409540398381514752

toffeebutterpopcorn · 28/06/2021 19:47

Oh gosh yes. Some of the good people from both sides eh?

toffeebutterpopcorn · 28/06/2021 19:48

I mean - 30 years in jail is quite some achievement.

PronounssheRa · 28/06/2021 19:52

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/violent-convict-sex-change-operation-2119490.amp

They seem nice. Also interesting use of pronouns from 2013.

The 43-year-old is serving an indeterminate sentence for trying to kill an alleged child rapist behind bars in 1998. At the time, he was locked up for kidnapping and torturing his step-mother’s brother.

Congressdingo · 28/06/2021 20:15

Thanks for bumping this, I've got a question awaiting an answer.
The question is whats behind the words adult human female?

If quaggers? Wants to answer yet?

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 28/06/2021 20:18

@InspiralCoalescenceRingdown

Imagine what would happen if Mermaids did this? If they came out and said we abhor these attacks on JK Rowling and we are using our prominent position to ask that they stop.

Wasn't a Mermaids employee found at a previous march with a sign calling for violence (in general, I think, not specifically JKR)?

It's hard to keep track what with all the death threats, incitement to violence and actual violence.

I feel obliged to make a correction to my earlier post: It was a jacket (and a tweet), not a sign.

mobile.twitter.com/anyabike/status/1279684665511723009

RedDogsBeg · 28/06/2021 20:34

[quote InspiralCoalescenceRingdown]Some interesting receipts turning up on Twitter:

mobile.twitter.com/artofhunger75/status/1409512958951055365

mobile.twitter.com/CroneInAMillion/status/1409540398381514752[/quote]
That is very interesting.

ArabellaScott · 28/06/2021 20:48

Ah. So the sign that said 'Kill JK Rowling' was made and carried by a prisoner who was in for 30 years for attempted murder.

Hoping the police are already aware.

Erikrie · 28/06/2021 20:56

Hoping the police are already aware.

Yes I hope so too

NiceGerbil · 28/06/2021 21:45

Only if someone reports it though...

EsmaCannonball · 28/06/2021 22:00

It's amazing how many of these people are violent or sexual offenders. So many wolves in sheep's clothing. Would making threats to kill a specific person be enough to get this person recalled to prison? I know people on Twitter have tagged in the police and probation service on this discussion.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2021 22:15

Ah. So the sign that said 'Kill JK Rowling' was made and carried by a prisoner who was in for 30 years for attempted murder.

How completely astonishing. That's definitely the most surprising thing I've heard today.

NiceGerbil · 28/06/2021 22:48

What bothers me about this, and I don't know if this will get deleted.

Is the whole reversal thing and also that I worry if all of this is going to result in something awful.

The story spread and consumed and God knows why apparently believed (???!!!) -

Is that in the UK a bunch of generally middle aged, mainly long term lefty types, including plenty with children, and including women who are lesbian, black, and in any case are usually GNC whether in appearance, personality, views, in various combinations.

Are being funded by the American religious right (!!), or maybe it's nationalist orgs, sometimes maybe both...!
Are being manipulated because women don't think for themselves... Or maybe are working towards some other evil goal (unspecified).
Oh and the sort of men who go around beating up LGBT+ people are doing it because they are listening to us...(running out of question marks)

That is apparently completely likely. Oh and we actually want various types of people including children to be brutally murdered.

I can't understand why people buy this (misogyny - and women who don't really care about female socialisation / male approval any more are just awful. Why aren't they talking about ironing boards and stuff?).

Meanwhile

There have been a fair few incidents where prominent people who strongly advocate for self-identity and opening up anything previously for women.
Have turned out to be a bit iffy.
To say the least. I mean yes there's dodgy people in all groups. But when it's iffy sexual behaviour combined with a mission to let anyone into prisons hosps communal changing etc that is labelled women, then it's got to be a worry.

There have been bomb threats irl
A conviction for assault
The incidents in women's prisons
The incident/s in secure women's MH facilities
Someone who worked as a police officer recently convicted for having bomb making equipment and there's a video of them taking a baseball bat to a pic of Germaine Greer iirc (police could not find any political motive... Hmm)

And now someone who has been in prison for 30 years 'for the attempted murder of another prisoner after being imprisoned for kidnapping and torturing her stepmother’s brother'.

No one thinks all trans people are iffy. Not on here. (Again, violent men may be the ones to look at for this).

But it's completely bizarre to say no trans person does anything dodgy as well.

NiceGerbil · 28/06/2021 22:52

Anyway long post sorry.

Some of the people who are red hot keen on this ARE violent misogynists, ARE sex offenders. Convicted rapists and murderers.

To turn a blind eye to this, to the constant rape and death threats on twitter, to encourage the absolute demonisation of women who disagree.

They are playing with fire. I'm genuinely worried where this will end.

I'm sure somehow it will be our own fault though.

When MB died, that dancing on a grave gif from a high profile campaigner for sports on self ID.

And loads of normal people either don't know or don't care.

NiceGerbil · 28/06/2021 22:57

I think for a lot of people it's maybe all online so they don't see it as 'real life' iyswim.

ScreamingMeMe · 28/06/2021 23:14

@ArabellaScott

Ah. So the sign that said 'Kill JK Rowling' was made and carried by a prisoner who was in for 30 years for attempted murder.

Hoping the police are already aware.

Shock
ScreamingMeMe · 28/06/2021 23:34

[quote InspiralCoalescenceRingdown]Some interesting receipts turning up on Twitter:

mobile.twitter.com/artofhunger75/status/1409512958951055365

mobile.twitter.com/CroneInAMillion/status/1409540398381514752[/quote]
Nice photo with Munroe Bergdorf (who looks rather uncomfortable) there.

More seriously impressive detective work from the GC crew on twitter.

ScreamingMeMe · 28/06/2021 23:42

Mermaids have actually said they have spoken to their volunteer.

"Hello Anya.This tweet is from one of our many volunteers who we have contacted this afternoon. As a charity supporting many young victims of abuse, harassment and bullying, we do not condone or encourage physical or verbal violence under any circumstances."

twitter.com/Mermaids_Gender/status/1279807616764477443?s=20

Photos from London's Trans Pride march
NiceGerbil · 29/06/2021 01:45

Was just googling around to find some info.

Loads of articles etc.

Anyway the independent had this in it's piece:

'Another protester says, “It actually makes me quite upset when I see that not everyone in the community is standing up for trans rights. I think as a cisgender, gold star lesbian, I can recognise that I have a lot of privileges against other people in the community.'

I'm not a lesbian but. I'm surprised at a woman describing herself as gold star to s random reporter.

If there are any lesbians who I dunno, are familiar with, well. Whether that is s thing these days to say to in general / to people you don't know. That would be interesting.

I can't imagine any of the women I knew back in the 90s saying that! Or even whether it was a commonly understood thing..?

NiceGerbil · 29/06/2021 01:50

Still looking for info about something!

The trans pride in London 2021 Twitter has their website as pride in London but I can't find any mention of the trans pride event on the site. Confused

PaleGreenGhost · 29/06/2021 09:09

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Ah. So the sign that said 'Kill JK Rowling' was made and carried by a prisoner who was in for 30 years for attempted murder.

How completely astonishing. That's definitely the most surprising thing I've heard today.

What I can't understand is how do people who identify as nice keep pushing on with this particular type of trans activism even when it is obvious that it provides cover for violent males to incite more violence? Why don't they stop and think, hmm, I really care about trans people but this is abhorrent. There must be another way to make sure trans people don't face discrimination?

Isn't this just what reasonable people do all the time in life? Love meat but eat less because they see the harm of the meat and dairy industry? Love the convenience of driving their kid to swimming but walk to cut down on pollution? Love being warm but buy fake not real fur? I honestly don't know anyone who hasn't modified their approach to something over the years in the face of overwhelming evidence of harm to others.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 29/06/2021 10:20

How else would this person end up with their photo being taken along glam model types at these events?

RedDogsBeg · 29/06/2021 13:15

Nice photo with Munroe Bergdorf (who looks rather uncomfortable) there.

Munroe Bergdorf looks extremely uncomfortable in that photo, body language and facial expression is screaming "get away from me", I doubt Munroe has any idea of the background to this person but is certainly picking up bad vibes from them.

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