Photos from London's Trans Pride march

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I think this will cause all decent Trans people shame rather than pride.

but ribbons are definitely worse... even just a picture of a wee ribbon...

www.terfisaslur.com

Why is even a 'very small minority' of violent placards acceptable to the organisers of the march?
Where are the spokespeople for the trans community speaking out against the violence?

Stickers too don't forget!

See, I get accused of being "disegenous" on here.
This totally is though.
"What's so wrong about a female, sticking a sticker saying they're female?
It's the whole what can be behind it that people stick their fingers in their ears and go la la la to that's

Where are the spokespeople for the trans community speaking out against the violence?

Why should they, though?
Don't get me wrong, these signs are disgusting and have no place anywhere.
They don't speak for the majority though.
Would you say "where are the people speaking out" if this was aimed at any other marginalised, minority, or discriminated against group?

www.terfisaslur.com

It's the whole what can be behind it
Inconvenient 'whats' like truth, do you mean? 'Woman: adult human female'? Sorry, but I fail to see any equivalence between that and exhortations to kill, and particularly to kill a specific, named woman. Which is something the police really ought to be following up. Not holding my breath.

@Nellodee

You know what would help? Supporters of trans people telling those within their ranks who threaten rape and violence, “You do not represent us, we do not condone your actions.” That would go down a lot better than , “Only a few of us threaten to rape and kill you, so I don’t know why you keep going on about it, really.”

This needs posting again. I think some people must have missed it.

I won't post a link to pink news - but have a look at munroe bergdoff's speech from the march earlier today.

She had a real chance to condone the violence and abuse and death threats and advocate for healthy, fair debate. But.... She didn't...

When I saw this earlier I came to mumsnet thinking there should be a thread, but found this one had been already started.

I would have liked it to have been titled "Threats to kill JK Rowlings on Trans Pride March" because it should be made a public as possible (and google loves mumsnet!

It doesn't matter what % of the march were carrying these messages.

They are public threats of violence against a woman. No one surrounding those carrying them tried to get them taken down, nor have the march organisers (as far as I know) publicly condemned them.

It is absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. Why these need to give them a free pass?

Why is any one think it doesn't matter. Threats of violence against women being made publicly are becoming more and more common.

We would condemn it in any other context.

Those who created the signs should be identifies and visited by the police, and anyone who shares them on social media should be banned.

@Quaggars

Where are the spokespeople for the trans community speaking out against the violence?

Why should they, though?
Don't get me wrong, these signs are disgusting and have no place anywhere.
They don't speak for the majority though.
Would you say "where are the people speaking out" if this was aimed at any other marginalised, minority, or discriminated against group?

Yes, I would say this. If people you are associating with (by, for example, going on a march with them) are holding placards wishing for someone's death then, yes, I don't care which group it is, the other people in the group should speak up about it.

Inconvenient 'whats' like truth, do you mean? 'Woman: adult human female'? Sorry, but I fail to see any equivalence between that and exhortations to kill, and particularly to kill a specific, named woman

Definitely wasn't trying to equate stickers with such as killing a named woman, far from it, would never do that - if you read my comment you'll see I said anyone doing that is vile.

then, yes, I don't care which group it is, the other people in the group should speak up about it

A lot of people won't know anything about what a handful of randomers with disgusting slogans are doing at the same event though.

@Quaggars

then, yes, I don't care which group it is, the other people in the group should speak up about it

A lot of people won't know anything about what a handful of randomers with disgusting slogans are doing at the same event though.

I don't believe this to be true. I don't believe for a second that anyone going on that march didn't know there will be signs and banners like this. And if they miraculously came out of a 10-year coma just in time to join the march and genuinely didn't know, all the #transpride hashtags will have educated them afterwards.

This isn't a niche opinion amongst trans activists. We've seen it a million times before.

Stickers too don't forget

It's crazy.

Threats to kill women=fine.

But a woman puts an AHF sticker on a bench, or calls someone a pig on Twitter, and that's literal violence, that makes adults feel unsafe. That's what gets statements from the police, asking the public to report if they see any stickers, that's what gets women arrested in front of their children and threatened with Social Services.

What a fucking joke.

The pic in link the OP posted has been invisibled by Twitter.

I don't get it.

I'm assuming it was a pic of some people at the march.

So a public march etc.

What possible reason can there be to delete it?

What was it? Anyone got another link or anything?

Was it as celebratory as the marching with baseball bats in the USA a few years ago?

Just read MB speech at the march.

I'm .

'She continued: “When we have spaces like this, it’s a reminder to see god in each other. Whatever god is. A higher power. To treat each other how we want to be treated.'

God. God???

Wtf does God have to do with any of this?

Loads of people follow religions where God says sex roles must be strictly adhered to, women and girls are inferior, and not being heterosexual is a massive sin.

God?!

And yet. Trans people see God in each other... Trans people are therefore God/s?

Is the word God up for redefinition now?

'We are stronger together. We cannot let idiotic countermovements like LGB Alliance and TERFs and gender-critical feminism tear us apart.”

At this, there was a long, loud cheer from the crowd who were packed into Soho Square and the surrounding streets.

“To me transness is divinity in its purest sense. To live in a world that does not see you, that ignores your suffering, that legislates against your existence, that strives to control your bodily autonomy, that simultaneously fetishes you and dehumanises our image. That is divine: to resist that daily.'

1. Is it really appropriate for a speaker at s march for for loads of people to specify who the baddies are? Ok yes probably.

No mention of violent men though. Weird.

1. Divinity. Again saying trans people are like angels, or saints. The divine. What's with all this religious stuff?

1. This bit.

' To live in a world that does not see you, that ignores your suffering, that legislates against your existence, that strives to control your bodily autonomy, that simultaneously fetishes you and dehumanises our image.'

I can't be polite. This is a fucking piss take. Is MB deliberately saying that as s massive fuck you to women and girls all over the world?
Or does MB have zero idea about how women and girls are treated all over the world.
I think the former. Because the words are straight out of feminist statements.

Which really does beg the question. Why... Just why? Given all the appalling shit happening to women and girls every day all over the world. Why stuff that back in our faces? It's just a blatent appropriation. Why are women and girls so hated? What have all the women and girls on the planet done to deserve that?

Why are women and girls so, despised?

Why the massive focus on essentially a load of lefty women as a massive threat rather then the men who attack those who don't conform?

Where is the focus on the plight of LGBT+ people around the world? Why are they not shouting about that? Raising awareness? Fighting for change?

I genuinely don't get it at all.

@Nellodee

You know what would help? Supporters of trans people telling those within their ranks who threaten rape and violence, “You do not represent us, we do not condone your actions.” That would go down a lot better than , “Only a few of us threaten to rape and kill you, so I don’t know why you keep going on about it, really.”

Agree.

You know what would help? Supporters of trans people telling those within their ranks who threaten rape and violence, “You do not represent us, we do not condone your actions.”

They never do though. Mainly because it's the majority who think this is ok. The ones who don't have already spoken up. There's not many.

@Thingybob

For those of you knocking me I refer you back to my original comment and invite you to look at some more photos/videos from today's march. I'm not defending those placards but saying they weren't representative of the vast majority of those marching.

The question is, how do we recognise those "not representative" to block access to our spaces?